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#2289591 - 04/06/11 03:06 AM Roland FP-4F
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#2289595 - 04/06/11 03:41 AM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: 16251]
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Was thinking of getting an FP-7F but might get this instead...has the same speakers, SN piano, a bit lighter...what's not to like? It loses some of the more advanced features (individual note tuning, looper) but looks pretty good.

Incidentally, the FP-7F looper looks pretty limited, so no great loss.

The big question is...how do the actions compare? Does anyone have thoughts on:

PHA III Ivory Feel-S Keyboard with Escapement vs Ivory Feel-G keyboard?

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#2289607 - 04/06/11 04:53 AM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: NBrooks]
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Somebody wake up Jazz+, his prayers to the Roland gods have been answered!

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#2289620 - 04/06/11 06:11 AM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: D-Bon]
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#2289857 - 04/06/11 02:20 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: Aidan]
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Does it come with the girl in the video?

If so, I'll take three ...
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#2289864 - 04/06/11 02:43 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: Jason Stanfield]
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Hmmm....interesting. I would love to see this up close for a test drive - my old FP-4 is starting to show its age. I think SK might be interested to..... smile

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#2290139 - 04/07/11 10:40 AM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: Piano4U]
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Speakers are now 12 watts (was 7 watts in old FP4)
New weight is 36 lbs (old FP4 was 33 lbs... maybe due to heavier speakers system or new action?)
5 touch levels (were 3 in old FP4)
USB stick port for audio play
Improved LCD
SN piano engine and a new action with Ivory key feel
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#2290165 - 04/07/11 11:18 AM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: Jazz+]
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After a ton of use, besides the action finally getting a bit loose, my FP4 has held up perfectly... better than any keyboard I've owned, and that's a lot of keyboards over the years.

The FP4f appears to be upgraded in every respect: improved sound, better speakers, Ivory feel, better LCD, new flashdrive connection, new features, etc. (as J+ has added to his post.) So yeah, no second thoughts, I'm going for it.


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#2290211 - 04/07/11 01:24 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: Jazz+]
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I have one on order for $1399 (List $1999)

Why are you always mentioning/bragging about the discounts you get? Unless you're willing to share your dealer with others, do not mention.

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#2290219 - 04/07/11 01:53 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: D-Bon]
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I have one on order for $1399 (List $1999)

Why are you always mentioning/bragging about the discounts you get? Unless you're willing to share your dealer with others, do not mention.
YEAH! me too! There's no fun knowing a low price if it's a private deal for you.

BTW - someone's fixing lottery tonight and I'm winning; I'd just thought you'd all like to know.
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#2290229 - 04/07/11 02:28 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: 16251]
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I'm surprised to see this at all, I thought Roland had consolidated their 'home' pianos into the FP7F. So if this isn't competing with that, surely it IS competing with the 300NX?

I like it, but I can't see the logic in it.

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#2290236 - 04/07/11 02:39 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: Marillion]
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If you think this is illogical, you should see Intel's product road map.
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#2290238 - 04/07/11 02:45 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: zephonic]
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Good news, would love to try one of these out!
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#2290317 - 04/07/11 06:30 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: Marillion]
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Originally Posted By: Marillion
I'm surprised to see this at all, I thought Roland had consolidated their 'home' pianos into the FP7F. So if this isn't competing with that, surely it IS competing with the 300NX?

I like it, but I can't see the logic in it.

I don't see this competing with the RD300NX at all. The main difference between the RD and FP series is that the RDs are oriented towards players who need intuitive and efficient stage controllers, while the FP is for those who are need a standalone piano that can be amplified. You can use an FP on stage, however the RD adds pitch-bend and modulation controllers, an intuitive interface, easy control of splits and layers and their levels, and direct control of three external MIDI channels.

The upside of the FP is its self-containment. The built-in speakers, which although aren't designed to compete with a band, are more than adequate for practice and teaching and playing along with others in a more intimate environment. If you need it to be louder you can plug it into a speaker or PA. While the basic sound and action are the same the two models address the needs of two very different audiences. The FP4 is really a less-expensive alternative for those who don't need all the features of the FP7.
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#2290328 - 04/07/11 07:14 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: MonksDream]
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Does anyone know which Rhodes this has? I am NOT wild about the RD 700 NX Rhodes....sorry 700 owners.

I have a RD 300GX and I have heard that the Rhodes is quite similar to FP4, which I really like. I wish/ hope they include that one as 2nd option to the new one, though I doubt they will.

I really love some of the dual voice options on the 300GX . The dual voice of the Rhodes and the choral "doos" help me choose voicings based on the logic of the vocal overtones.

I am a bit confused regarding the differences between the 300's and the FP4/ FP4F though.

I have a 300GX because someone let it go for 600 bucks and all I was looking for was a controller. I have come to like the "Superior" Grand and the 300GX action, though some disagree. But I have found it to be easier on my hands, wheras the 700 GX/ NX action seems kind of loose to me.

I am waiting to see the 300NX and the FP4 hit the stores. I have really come to appreciate how solidly Roland gear is built after dealing with various Yamaha key breakage problems ( P90 and CP33 ) in recent years.

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#2290339 - 04/07/11 07:31 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: LX88]
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I was playing an RD 700NX and liked the Rhodes. The sound itself can always be better but at least there is now that extra bite when you really hit key, which current FP4 is missing. I'm hoping for that same thing on new F.
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#2290410 - 04/08/11 06:09 AM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: 16251]
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The other advantage of the FP's speakers is you can leave them turned on while using a single mono out, thus giving the player the advantage of stereo imaging while the external goes to either FoH or a single powered speaker for added projection and depth.
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#2290525 - 04/08/11 10:29 AM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: MonksDream]
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Originally Posted By: MonksDream
I don't see this competing with the RD300NX at all. The main difference between the RD and FP series is that the RDs are oriented towards players who need intuitive and efficient stage controllers, while the FP is for those who are need a standalone piano that can be amplified. You can use an FP on stage, however the RD adds pitch-bend and modulation controllers, an intuitive interface, easy control of splits and layers and their levels, and direct control of three external MIDI channels.

The upside of the FP is its self-containment. The built-in speakers

It's unfortunate that you must make the trade-off. If there were an RD300NX that had built in speakers, you could have it all, instead of having to lose the speakers to get the other features.

I find built-in speakers in a piano very convenient for many purposes, including at gigs, where I may pull my piano out of my rig for cocktail hour in another room (where its built in speakers may be sufficient), then bring it back on stage for the full band reception. Or for a little coffee-house style thing, whatever. I also like the feel of the speaker's vibrations while I play, which makes playing the board feel more like playing a real piano.

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#2290737 - 04/09/11 02:38 AM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: NBrooks]
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Originally Posted By: NBrooks
Was thinking of getting an FP-7F but might get this instead...has the same speakers, SN piano, a bit lighter...what's not to like? It loses some of the more advanced features (individual note tuning, looper) but looks pretty good.

Incidentally, the FP-7F looper looks pretty limited, so no great loss.

The big question is...how do the actions compare? Does anyone have thoughts on:

PHA III Ivory Feel-S Keyboard with Escapement vs Ivory Feel-G keyboard?


I got the RD300NX a couple of days and I'm telling you itís a killer board. The FP4F has the same keybed and I'm more than satisfied with those keys. They're probably 15% less Ďorganicí than the RD700NX, which has the best keys IMO.
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#2290877 - 04/09/11 02:03 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: thomsurf]
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One complaint would be that the keybed is really noisy. You really need to turn the volume way up to cover that 'plucking' sound. I'm using AKG 240s
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#2291106 - 04/10/11 11:42 AM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: thomsurf]
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thomsurf...are you using any of the other tones in the 300NX, apart from piano? How are the organs? Brass/strings etc?

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#2291133 - 04/10/11 01:07 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: thomsurf]
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Originally Posted By: thomsurf
One complaint would be that the keybed is really noisy. You really need to turn the volume way up to cover that 'plucking' sound. I'm using AKG 240s
I had an FP7 and ultimately I sold it cause of it's weight and the keys were loud and felt like it needed shock absorbers. Then I got FP4 and really liked the action. It's not as weighted but it's so quiet and plush-feeling...

Now, I hear that the new FP-4F has a noisy keyboard, which makes me wonder if that plush bottom-out is gone. I'll have to play an FP4F or a 300NX soon.

BTW - does any know when FP4F's are shipping?
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#2291187 - 04/10/11 04:02 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: 16251]
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Now, I hear that the new FP-4F has a noisy keyboard, which makes me wonder if that plush bottom-out is gone.
Hmm, I doubt it. The reason for the lightweight of the original FP4 was because of the special action, so the very light FP4f is probably similar. (hope so)

As for the Rhodes bark, piano sounds, etc. compared to previous models, all those things can be adjusted very close to taste in Rolands, and most of the sounds should be the same in the fpf's and the NX's.

The original FP4 was the little engine that could. It was easy for players to write it off based on default settings without making internal adjustments, not realizing what it could sound like. I'm not overly impressed with the Roland default settings either.

So I'm very glad the FP4f is coming out and I'll get one, but I'm fairly "over" having expectations for any DP to do more than cut the job at a comfortable degree of satisfaction. For that reason, it's good to get the most for your money and a lightweight package. On about half of my gigs these days, an instrument is supplied, and my sonic interests have really changed from DP's to acoustic and virtual piano recording.
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#2291255 - 04/11/11 02:11 AM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: Marillion]
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Originally Posted By: Marillion
thomsurf...are you using any of the other tones in the 300NX, apart from piano? How are the organs? Brass/strings etc?


I'm not too crazy about the other tones. The EPs all sound kind of dull, but as it's been said, there's lots of editing options. IMO they don't have the same livliness as the Kurzweils FX. They're better than the RD700GX though.
Organs are a complete joke. The rotary effect is very artificial and I can't imagine any serious player wanting to rely on these sounds.



Edited by thomsurf (04/11/11 02:11 AM)
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#2291311 - 04/11/11 07:14 AM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: SK]
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[quote=16251]but I'm fairly "over" having expectations for any DP to do more than cut the job at a comfortable degree of satisfaction. For that reason, it's good to get the most for your money and a lightweight package.


I agree - it seems as though we've been chasing the DP grail for some time now - with the V piano supposedly being the pinnacle - when I sat down to play that with $10K worth of Genelec hooked up to it, I thought, no thanks just give me my upright.
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#2291337 - 04/11/11 08:09 AM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: Karl Sutton]
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"Organs are a complete joke. The rotary effect is very artificial and I can't imagine any serious player wanting to rely on these sounds."

I've got the RD 300GX and the addition of my Ventilator to the Roland organs makes them gig-worthy for everything except the highest profile shows.

I'm anxious to check out the 300NX to see if an upgrade makes sense.

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#2291460 - 04/11/11 03:05 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: ewall08530]
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D-Mod wrote:
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Why are you always mentioning/bragging about the discounts you get? Unless you're willing to share your dealer with others, do not mention.


Huh? He's doing everyone a service. If you knew what dealers pay for their products, then you're better at haggling for a good price. I wish more people would share their outrageous good deals.

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#2291468 - 04/11/11 03:40 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: Randelph]
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D-Mod wrote:
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Why are you always mentioning/bragging about the discounts you get? Unless you're willing to share your dealer with others, do not mention.


Huh? He's doing everyone a service. If you knew what dealers pay for their products, then you're better at haggling for a good price. I wish more people would share their outrageous good deals.
I think it's the same ol' story - who ya know. If most places are selling for $1749, I don't see I could ever haggle to $1399 unless I knew someone in a management position. I think knowing that someone is selling it at $1399. just makes the rest of us bend over and take it.
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#2291474 - 04/11/11 04:06 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: Randelph]
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He's doing everyone a service.


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#2291475 - 04/11/11 04:08 PM Re: Roland FP-4F [Re: Randelph]
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D-Mod wrote:
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Why are you always mentioning/bragging about the discounts you get? Unless you're willing to share your dealer with others, do not mention.


Huh? He's doing everyone a service. If you knew what dealers pay for their products, then you're better at haggling for a good price.
Horsehockey. If you say to a sales rep, "I saw an anonymous guy on a forum paid $X for this," he'll say, "so?"

Only if you can say where he got that deal will the sales rep respond to that.

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