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Re: Melodica?
Jim Alfredson #2168018 02/26/10 02:47 PM
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Does the Hammond have larger black keys and a firmer action than the Hohner?

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My Hammond 44 definitely has large keys (for a melodica) and very solid action, much better compared to an old Hohner. In a different category. Feels much more like an instrument, looks like one, and I think that all comes out in the playing, as it sounds so much better (and louder, since you can plug it in. I've had no problem with feedback, but one has to treat it like the active mic it is and not get in front of or too close to its amp. Highly recommended here.

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Anybody mess around with putting their Hammond 44 through an effects chain? I've had a ton of fun putting my Hammond 44 through effects box chain including distortion, wah-wah, delay, volume, chorus, and reverb. Starts to sound like a synth in some ways, but breath control makes it a new experience. Also put it through a Boss ME-50, and ManStage, with really unique results. Anyone else?

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Re: Melodica?
nmcq #2168165 02/27/10 03:01 AM
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Thanks for confirming the keys are bigger and more solid feeling.

Is it easier to pitch bend on the Hammond?


By the way, the Hohner 36 does sound very good in this session it almost sounds like Toots Thielemans' harmonica (good mic used?):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxacI_r97jE

Is this a Hammond 44? I think not, no low C and it's black...
http://www.youtube.com/watch#v=g7HIp_4m_E8&feature=related

Re: Melodica?
Jazz+ #2168175 02/27/10 04:04 AM
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This Japanese guy can play the Hammond 44 very well, nice pitch bending and nuance (a digital delay in effect):

http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&...p;v=8c0a3L8oUA8

I want one!

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Jazz+ #2168303 02/27/10 05:52 PM
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I didn't hear any pitch-bending. I'm not sure you can pitch bend on the H44...or any melodica for that matter. At least, I haven't figure out how... I'd love to know! smile

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Jim Alfredson #2168343 02/27/10 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted By: B3-er
I didn't hear any pitch-bending. I'm not sure you can pitch bend on the H44...or any melodica for that matter. At least, I haven't figure out how... I'd love to know! smile


From melodicas.com:

" As mentioned earlier it is more difficult to bend notes on a melodica than a Hohner harmonica as you are further from the reeds. It is however possible to achieve. While holding down a key and blowing steadily, slowly lift your finger allowing the key to rise (so it is at the point where the air flow is incomplete or choking the reed). At this time you will hear the pitch drop. A technique can be developed where by playing pressing the keys half way down while blowing, this Bending of notes will occur."

Can't say as I've had a great deal of success trying this with my Hohner 36, but I haven't spent a lot of time trying.


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Messing about with it now, it does bend a bit, especially if you overblow the note, which also makes it easier not to lose the tone. I'll bet with a bit of practice one could get pretty good at it.


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misterdregs #2168373 02/28/10 01:37 AM
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Steve on melodicas.com says in an interview with Brian Hass:

" Victory's are good. You know, the Victory's got a little thinner reed, so you can bend notes sometimes on them. "

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I just took back my Suzuki M37 because the thin reeds often "stuck" when I blew hard leaving me with no note being sounded. However the same thin reeds made it easy to bend notes by simply overblowing. I find that it's not hard to bend notes on the Hohner with combinations of the half-key and over-blow techniques.


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Thanks everybody.

Anybody having success bending notes on their Hammond Pro 44?

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Well, I haven't played it recently. I'll report back when next I do. I could swear that I bent notes the last time. I'm staying away from mouthpiece instruments until I shake this cold that won't go away.


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Originally Posted By: misterdregs
Messing about with it now, it does bend a bit, especially if you overblow the note, which also makes it easier not to lose the tone. I'll bet with a bit of practice one could get pretty good at it.


All true...I also have a Hohner 36. It's easier to bend the notes in the lower range than the higher notes. I've also found that using the "trumpet" mouthpiece gets better response than the "sax" mouthpiece.


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And what about LITTLE mics for a melodica?

I own 2 melodicas: one Hohner 32 and one from Thomann, but I dont use it live for not worrying about mics placement, mic stand, feedback,...

It would be nice to have a very little mic attached, velcroed to the melodica (no stantd required then) and have the choice of using it with guitar stompboxes...

What little mic do you recommend?


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mcpepe #2169038 03/02/10 04:08 PM
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The bending technique outlined above does indeed work on the H44 and work very well. It will take some practice to make it second nature, but it sounds really cool!

Time to start sheddin'...

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Jim Alfredson #2169050 03/02/10 04:30 PM
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Thanks,

I look forward to bending some notes on the Hammond once I get it.

Bending notes:

"As mentioned earlier it is more difficult to bend notes on a melodica than a harmonica as you are further from the reeds. It is however possible. While holding down a key and blowing steadily, slowly lift your finger allowing the key to rise (so it is at the point where the air flow is incomplete or choking the reed). At this time you will hear the pitch change. A technique can be developed where by playing pressing the keys half way down while blowing, this Bending of notes will occur."

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Originally Posted By: mcpepe
And what about LITTLE mics for a melodica?

I own 2 melodicas: one Hohner 32 and one from Thomann, but I dont use it live for not worrying about mics placement, mic stand, feedback,...

It would be nice to have a very little mic attached, velcroed to the melodica (no stantd required then) and have the choice of using it with guitar stompboxes...

What little mic do you recommend?


I have one of the K&K Big Shot pickups stuck on the melodica. It works better than trying to get close into a microphone, but does pick up more key click than I would like.

But, if you're playing with a loud band, the key noise is not so noticeable and if you're in a quiet venue, you can probably do better with a regular mic.

http://www.kksound.com/bigshot.html


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Re mic'ing melodicas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVUlo-ZQ32U

Not my taste in music, but an elegant solution.

Personally, I'd avoid contact mics. They pick up mechanical vibration so you get all the clunks from the keys amplified too. Shifting the mic(s) around to find dead-spots for click can help, as does a graphic EQ, but it's not ideal.

I've messed around a little with bending. Start blowing before you depress the key and gradually apply a minuscule amount of pressure. This slurs you into notes. Not something I'd do with expensive melodicas, though, as just like with a mouth-organ, you're going to **** the reeds with time.


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Originally Posted By: longfuse
Re mic'ing melodicas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVUlo-ZQ32U

Not my taste in music, but an elegant solution.


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I didn't notice...I went blind after 10 seconds.

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Originally Posted By: mcpepe
And what about LITTLE mics for a melodica?

I own 2 melodicas: one Hohner 32 and one from Thomann, but I dont use it live for not worrying about mics placement, mic stand, feedback,...

It would be nice to have a very little mic attached, velcroed to the melodica (no stantd required then) and have the choice of using it with guitar stompboxes...

What little mic do you recommend?


HERE is how I solved the problem when using my Suzuki Pro37v2. The little mic was $20.00 and a couple of dollars for the other parts, excluding the wireless system of course.


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HERE is how I solved the problem when using my Suzuki Pro37v2. The little mic was $20.00 and a couple of dollars for the other parts, excluding the wireless system of course.

Dave - I recently returned my Suzuki M37 because of notes not being sounded when I blew hard. Is the Pro37 better in that regard?


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I am in Japan for a week and today I played a Hammond 44H in a store. The sound was excellent and very resonant but I was very disapointed with the action. I could not play fast on it because the key drop was very shallow, the springs were light, and the black keys were quite slender. I gave up on it because I could not play fast at all. I also could not get the Hammond to bend any notes at all. I found a 25 year old Yamaha 32D (now days $50) here at the place I am staying and it is much easier to play fast. The key drop is deeper and the black keys seem a little wider and the springs a little more supportive. And I can get the notes to bend a little. I think am gonna get a new Yamaha 37D for $80 while I am here. For me a jazz player, action trumps tone. Here is a video of Japanese guy playing the Yamaha 37D, notice he gets a nice pitch bend at 1:15


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wSLUUbQV...=PL&index=4


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Originally Posted By: MonksDream
Dave - I recently returned my Suzuki M37 because of notes not being sounded when I blew hard. Is the Pro37 better in that regard?


I never had/have that problem with the Pro37v2. Just like a harmonica though, you should be cautious about blowing too hard so you don't blow out (bend) a reed. But I think I have used a good amount of air pressure on occasion and never had a problem with the Pro37v2 or the Hammond H44 for that matter.

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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
...I think am gonna get a new Yamaha 37D for $80 while I am here. Here is a video of Japanese guy playing the Yamaha 37D, notice he gets a nice pitch bend at 1:15


Probably a good idea. Keep in mind that it takes a little time to become acclimated and comfortable with any new keyboard, especially one with tiny little keys.

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Does the Pro37v2 have the sound and ation of the Hammond 44H ?

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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Does the Pro37v2 have the sound and ation of the Hammond 44H ?


The key size and travel is the same on both models. The H44 keyboard is very quiet, while the keys on the Pro37v2 are a little noisy, but not distractingly so. The actual reed sound is identical as far as I can tell, but the Pro37v2 is acoustically louder than the H44. As I told you in a PM, the body shape of the Pro37v2 is rounded on the back and so is much more comfortable to hold over the H44 or Hohner models and judging from the video link of the Yamaha, the same goes for that one. I really like my H44 with the built-in mic, but I wouldn't give up my Pro37v2.

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This has gotta be the best melodica video on the web:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrNLan4aaBQ&feature=related

Seems the guy (I assume it's a guy) is makin' decent money, too.


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I always wondered what happened to Phillip Glass...

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Here's Steve Slagel & Bob Albanese. Bob breaks out the Melodica around the 6:50 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duowl7nv5Ss&feature=PlayList&p=1DEA59405E3AD503&index=7

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