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#2150184 - 01/05/10 04:33 AM Motif XS: bad keybed?
Synthoid Offline
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After reading complaints (over at Motifator) about the longevity of the XS non-weighted keybeds, I wanted to ask users here--any problems with broken keys, mushiness or other issues?
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#2150235 - 01/05/10 08:14 AM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: Synthoid]
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Not on my XS7 yet, but certainly on the ES7. I am by no means a heavy handed or hard player. But I have had 3 keys break at different times on the ES7 over a 3 year period or so. I use the ES7 as my main board most every Friday and Saturday, so it gets a lot of use, but not to have this type of problem.

There seems to be an issue with the back of the key where it sets in the metal rail. The little plastic pedestal at the end of the key develops stress cracks and eventually breaks enough to allow the key to become unseated. The key then either sticks when depressed or causes the adjacent keys to simultaneously sound. A real problem.

I have done the repairs myself since the local repair shop was far too expensive. Removed the 40 or so screws that hold the bottom panel (ridiculous) and simply used some epoxy to carefully rebuild the base of the key allowing the key to freely rock but not slip out of the metal rail. The first repair so far lasted about 3 years.

Other than that I love the boards....
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#2150237 - 01/05/10 08:18 AM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: Synthoid]
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Synthoid, I owned a Motif ES7 for several years and never had any issues with any of the issues you mentioned.
However, I ended up selling it primarily because the keys are narrower than those on other keyboards. As I recall, an octave was about 3/8" narrower than an octave on Korg or Roland non-weighted keyboards. When the XS series came out, I considered purchasing an XS7, but the keys on it are narrow also.
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#2150255 - 01/05/10 09:24 AM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: wineandkeyz]
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I love the feel of my XS7 - I think it is one of the best feeling synth actions I have ever played - that and my Virus TI - the worst: K2000 - but I have had no issues w the keybed at all.

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#2150260 - 01/05/10 09:29 AM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: Moon Zero Two]
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No problems with my keyboard yet, I like it. Although I swear the entire keyboard may be slighly bowed.
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#2150266 - 01/05/10 09:48 AM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: KeyMoe]
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Originally Posted By: KeyMoe
Removed the 40 or so screws that hold the bottom panel (ridiculous)


Yeah what is it with that? Same problem with opening my Triton--would take a half-day just to remove the screws. mad
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#2150330 - 01/05/10 12:47 PM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: Synthoid]
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I would really find it hard to believe that Yamaha would put out a keyboard that would have major issues. I have an ES8 for over 5 years and there is a LOT of hours of practice and gigs on it. I haven't broken it yet. And although my playing skills aren't all that much better with all the practice, the ES8 is not worse for wear.

I played the XS7 on several occasions and it has a very nice synth action KB. The best I've ever played. But I don't know anyone that actually owns one so I don't know first or second hand about reliability.

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#2150334 - 01/05/10 01:02 PM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: MikeT156]
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Although most of you guys know this, I think it should be noted that the ES6-7 and XS6-7 keybeds are not the same.

For one thing, the XS series is semi-weighted with little metal weights glued to the keys' undersides - like what Roland does. And FWIW the XS does feel slightly mushier when I play it, although in general I prefer it to the ES because of the (slight) extra heft of the keys.

I don't own an XS, but have banged around on my ES7 for four years now without an issue. I suppose that anything will break if you have an extremely heavy technique though.

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#2150365 - 01/05/10 03:07 PM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: Bill H.]
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never had a problem with my xs7 and it's seen 70+ stages and roughly the same amount of studio sessions in the last 1 1/2 year...

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#2150387 - 01/05/10 04:31 PM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: danimuschi]
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My ES7 has been a very reliable workhorse for several years.....no key or keybed problems to report at all.

Not at all like my old Kurz PC88 which threw keyweights all the time.

One day I will upgrade to the S70XS and I sure hope the keys are solid on that. I think that a weighted key flopping around is always going to endure more stress than semi and therefore be less reliable. I hope I am wrong with that idea.

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#2150391 - 01/05/10 04:43 PM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: GDP]
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Always amazes me how my motif keys hold up to my complete and utter clobbering.
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#2150394 - 01/05/10 04:53 PM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: Synthoid]
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I was referring to the unweighted keybeds though....not the 88.
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#2150395 - 01/05/10 04:54 PM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: Mogut]
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Good to hear. Mine must have been a fluke.....
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#2150402 - 01/05/10 05:21 PM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: Synthoid]
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Originally Posted By: Synthoid
I was referring to the unweighted keybeds though....not the 88.


I know ...just sayin tho grin
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#2150403 - 01/05/10 05:28 PM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: Mogut]
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Originally Posted By: Mogut
Originally Posted By: Synthoid
I was referring to the unweighted keybeds though....not the 88.

I know ...just sayin tho grin

Its good to know the weighted keybeds are durable...I will buy one eventually, but will always keep the ES7 as a backup....good info guys! thu

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#2613331 - 07/22/14 10:31 AM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: Synthoid]
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yes I own the MOTIF XS 7. I've had it since 2010. And I've had several issues with the black keys only. Most of my black keys are very noisy (like metal on metal) and they have become very loose. When I bought replacement keys they worked just fine but eventually they go bad again. Just the other day one of my keys actually popped out during a rehearsal. According to yamaha I am the only one with this problem. The thing that confuses me is why doesn't it happen with the white keys and only on the black keys. I am a heavy player and I play quite often but with that being said shouldn't this happen on all keys. It appears to me that there is some kind of flaw with The black keys? this also affects the feel and the response of the black Keys vs the white keys and it's very frustrating during a performance. I wish that yamaha would look into this and correct the problem.

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#2613332 - 07/22/14 10:39 AM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: jasz21th]
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I've had my XF7 since late 2010, the only key problem I had was when my stand collapsed and the board fell and one key got chipped.

I play either with headphones or with very loud bands, so slight key noise would not be noticed. I play low volume at rehearsals pre-start etc., never heard any key with a problem ever.
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#2613336 - 07/22/14 10:46 AM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: MotiDave]
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yes I own the MOTIF XS 7. I've had it since 2010. And I've had several issues with the black keys only. Most of my black keys are very noisy (like metal on metal) and they have become very loose. When I bought replacement keys they worked just fine but eventually they go bad again. Just the other day one of my keys actually popped out during a rehearsal. According to yamaha I am the only one with this problem. The thing that confuses me is why doesn't it happen with the white keys and only on the black keys. I am a heavy player and I play quite often but with that being said shouldn't this happen on all keys. It appears to me that there is some kind of flaw with The black keys? this also affects the feel and the response of the black Keys vs the white keys and it's very frustrating during a performance. I wish that yamaha would look into this and correct the problem.


If you have damaged any of the keys, and I mean even the smallest chip imaginable on the inner guts of the key.... it will do weird stuff....

I've had to change out 3 keys over the 5+ years ive had my current motif....never a black


but the 88's are differnt than 6 and 7's

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#2613339 - 07/22/14 11:00 AM Re: Motif XS: bad keybed? [Re: Synthoid]
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I owned an ES7 with no problems ever and a Triton EX7 which uses
the Yamaha keybed also without issue.

Paul
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