I guess it's been a while since I've messed around with old shool Midi, and I'm flunking badly.
My S70XS has this nifty Master mode function that allows you to control your outboard gear with regards to patch changes. Basically I call up a Master program, and the S70XS, Fantom X7, & my PEK are all supposed to change to the patches I've input into the S70's Master section.
Sounds great, but I have yet to actually get it doing anything.
I have a midi cable going from the Out of the XS, to the In on the Fantom, Thru'ed to the PEK. Fairly simple.
On the XS, Zone 1 is dedicated to the XS, Zone 2 to the Fantom, and Zone 3, the PEK.
I have all set to receive on Midi channel 1, but have tried the Fantom & Pek on 2 & 3 respectively as well.

Any Yammie users out there care to take a stab?

Dan,

It is a little bit quirky, but once you set it up for one Master, you can then use that as a template for your other Master setups that leverage MIDI across your boards. You will have best results if you set each of the slave boards to a different MIDI channel for max flexibility.

I'll try to walk through the steps for you:

MASTER
EDIT
Common
Zone Switch - On
Back up 2 pages and go to each Zone

ZONE 1
Transmit
I leave Zone 1 as the internal set to MIDI 1
Choose Zone 2 and turn on Ext Sw and set MIDI channel and other controller toggles accordingly
Set Note Limit accordingly

You should be all good.

Hope this helps?

Regards,
Eric

Thanks very much Eric, I'll give it a shot.

Well I tried your suggestions Eric, but still no dice.
While scrolling thru the patch numbers in the Zone/Preset page on the XS, am I supposed to see the patches change on the Roland?
Maybe I have a bad cable, but I doubt it.

What a land of frustration, but great rewards once you get it done. Did you try Motifator or are you over that place. Actually I guess the S70XS isn't technically a Motif so maybe you can't post there.

May seem obvious but did you match up the X7 and PEK to receive on the corresponding zone channels and enable receiving program changes? As Eric indicated on the S70 I would set zone 2 to chn 2 (for the X7) and zone 3 for chn 3 (for the PEK).

As I recall the S90ES had an extra "soft' button for sending the program change once the desired program number was set.

Even more confusing now that I think about it is the "bank" number correct?

Yep, did that. I followed Eric's advice to the 0110010101.



Well I have an addendum document from Roland that conveniently lists all the internal patches, and even all the SRX cards as well, in MSB/LSB & PC numbers.
The S70XS has entries for MSB/LSB & PC numbers in the Zone columns, but I still can't get anything happening.

Things to double check:

The bank number that Roland specifies may not be the same convention as what Yamaha specifies. Check the Yamaha manual or addendum.

MIDI Send Sw (MIDI Send Switch)
Determines whether the MIDI message is transmitted (on) or not when setting the parameters on this display. When set
to “on,” changing the value in this display transmits the corresponding MIDI messages to an external/internal tone
generator.
Settings: off, on
NOTE: Note that this setting automatically returns to off at power-off.

Ext Sw (External Switch)
Determines whether or not MIDI data for each Zone is transmitted to an external MIDI device.
Settings: on (transmitted), off
Int Bank Sel (Internal Bank Select)
Ext Bank Sel (External Bank Select)
Int PC (Internal Program Change)
Ext PC (External Program Change)
From this display, you can determine whether or not MIDI messages controlling Voice selection for each Zone are
transmitted to the internal/external tone generator.
Settings: on, off, ---
NOTE: When the “Ins Sw”/”Ext Sw” is set to “off,” none of these parameters is available.

Bank MSB (Bank Select MSB)
Bank LSB (Bank Select LSB)
PC (Program Change Number)
Determines the Voice-related settings for each Zone in the selected Master. The selected Voices depend on the external
MIDI devices.
Settings: Bank MSB (Bank Select MSB): 000 – 127
Bank LSB (Bank Select LSB): 000 – 127
PC (Program Change): 001 – 128

Thanks Marky, but I 'get' all of this.
I haven't taken a swat at it yet today, but I'm about to head down into the studio now.
I downloaded a bunch of PDF's on MASTER mode from the SNinety site today, so hopefully they'll help.

So is this the missing link at the end of it all? Am I supposed to be pushing some button (soft or otherwise) to make everything go "ta-daaaaa"?

In the MIDI part of Utility Mode there are 2 parameters called Bank Select Sw and Prg Change Sw which both need to be set to On.

It's also worth checking that your Fantom and PEK are set to receive these messages. I'm not familiar with either model but they may well have some kind of MIDI filter capable of blocking Prog Change and Bank Select. It'll be buried somewhere in their equivalent of Utilty Mode, System in Roland-ese, don't know about PEK.

Good luck.

Sounds like Changearound may have something here that I missed - check it out.



I thought this is what the MIDI Send Sw (MIDI Send Switch) was for but again I'm trying to recall how the S90ES worked and the XS may be different.

What bank number on the S70XS are you sending?

They are.



They are.

I've posted my settings for one of the gurus at SNinety.com, hopefully he'll be able to figure it out.

Thanks guys.

Um - is Sninety.com still active? The last time I checked was over a year ago and it was pretty well flat lined.

Sure, it's still cooking. They've got a section for the S70/90XS.
That said, it's down at the moment so I can't post my &^#%@$%# settings for the guy to look at.
What a clusterphoque.