#2090062 - 06/25/09 08:51 AM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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I didn't want to start a new post on sport issues (as this supposed to be a keyboard forum!), but I'm from the UK,
and football is our main sport
(proper football, where you play the ball with your feet [ie: 'foot' ball], not the stop-start grid-iron 'throw & catch' stuff!!!)
So you decided to put it in next year's basketball thread. Infallible logic. By the way, we all know what football is.
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#2090063 - 06/25/09 08:52 AM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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It can't be the most popular sport in the world as it is NOT a sport... This is almost like performance art to you, isn't it?
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#2090087 - 06/25/09 09:54 AM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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How high did Shaq elevate the Suns last year? Squarely into the 9 seed... I think the blame for that lies mostly off the court. The front office deliberately slowed down a successful run and gun team that was playing at least close to championship level ball and traded away half of the starters. Then, when they fired Terry Porter and finally took the restraints off, the Suns played some of the best offense the league has ever seen, including some of the best offense Shaq has ever played. Phoenix's lack of defense remains a glaring problem; but if the Suns had been allowed to play run and gun all season long (and Amar'e Stoudemire had remained healthy), I think it's safe to say that they would have at least advanced to the playoffs. Best, Geoff
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#2090174 - 06/25/09 11:56 AM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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It can't be the most popular sport in the world as it is NOT a sport... This is almost like performance art to you, isn't it? Just demonstrating the obvious flaw in steadyb's argument
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#2090185 - 06/25/09 12:07 PM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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Oy, false grail, I'm afraid, by a team that does this over and over. Desperation heave. It will produce some very entertaining moments (especially the potential Shaq/Howard playoff matchup). How high did Shaq elevate the Suns last year? Squarely into the 9 seed... The foul idea here is that because LeBron is LeBron, someone like Shaq should be just enough to make the difference. NO! LeBron needs another multi-dimensional star in his prime. Shaq is not either. It will not produce a championship. Put me on the record with that...Ferry is just trying to save his job--and his city--right now, and he was out of options. I hear th Cavs had as many as six different deals on the table. I would love to hear what some of them were. I gotta say here, LeBron/Mo/Shaq is a much more appealing combination to me than any they fielded this year. And if it doesn't work, they're only stuck with him for this season, and they didn't give up much to get him. If it doesn't work, LeBron is probably out this offseason anyway, whether they get into the Bosh sweepstakes or not...
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#2090227 - 06/25/09 01:24 PM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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If Orlando picks up Vince Carter they field Carter, Turkoglu, Lewis, Howard, and Nelson (An all-star before his injury this year).
Cleveland is missing a piece or two. They can't get away with Delonte West as their SG or aging players like Joe Smith as their PF. A healthy Celts team with Davis, Garnett and Perkins can outscore a Shaq/Smith front court. A healthy Ray Allen owns Delonte West and Rondo is up to the task of matching of Williams.
I don't think Shaq, Smith and Ilgauskas can beat Lewis, Howard and Gortat straight up. Vince Carter or Delonte West? Carter hands down. Nelson and Mo williams? A wash. Cleveland has to land a great swingman 2/3 to replace wWally Szerbiak and start in place of West.
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#2090230 - 06/25/09 01:27 PM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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It will not produce a championship. Put me on the record with that...Ferry is just trying to save his job--and his city--right now, and he was out of options. This is awesome news. I was pretty concerned about the Cavs being a contender for next year's finals, but now... not so much.
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#2090260 - 06/25/09 02:50 PM
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It's way too early to make any solid predictions but I can't imagine LeBron/Shaq being anything less than awesome to watch.
I can. Steve, I think you've got the "old Shaq" blinders on. You'd love to see LeBron and 2002 Shaq play together. Did you see him with the Suns this year? Shaq doesn't have anything left to prove, and his physical skills aren't even close to what they were 7-8 years ago when he was in his prime. I do not see this as a good move for the Cavs. And I really like Shaq! Just being realistic here.
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#2090261 - 06/25/09 02:57 PM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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The Vince Carter (21 pts a game) trade to Orlando is official. They also got 21 year old PF Ryan Anderson (7.4 pts a game) in exchange for the aging Battie.
That's the real news. The Shaq deal is old news :>
Now the Magic need to resign Gortat and Turkoglu. They verbally commited to matching anything Turko gets as a free agent.
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#2090386 - 06/25/09 06:36 PM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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Hmmm...did the magic team we just watched for four series REALLY need another perimeter player in love with the 3? Vince isn't the slasher he was ealry in his career, and in truth he always shied away from that aspect of his game, at which he could be so gifted.
Well...it will be interesting that's for sure. I guess--with Courtney Lee and JJ Reddick--that was their weak spot.
I enjoyed the Kidd Nets, and now all traces are gone--Kidd, RJ, M-Mart and now Vince
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#2090527 - 06/26/09 05:45 AM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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Cavs and Magic have one year to do something. Shaq should consider playing every-other game and saving himself for the playoffs. The Nets may have gotten the best deal in the long run if Lee keeps improving.
What's up with Danny Ainge? You don't normally hear a manager trash talk an active player like that. Especially if you want to trade that player. I'm starting to think he cannot handle success.
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#2090532 - 06/26/09 06:03 AM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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Uh - Mags?
I watched Vince this season - he sure looked like he was still slashing pretty well... Believe me, I've watched a lot of Vince over the years. He is a great talent, but another guys who needs a lot of time with the ball in his hands. To me, the Magic already have a problem with a lack of coherence in the halfcourt offense, continually bailed out by a ridiculous assortment of good shooters  Hey, Howard/Carter could be a great combo if everybody's attitude is right.
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#2090580 - 06/26/09 07:41 AM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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Phoenix's lack of defense remains a glaring problem; but if the Suns had been allowed to play run and gun all season long (and Amar'e Stoudemire had remained healthy), I think it's safe to say that they would have at least advanced to the playoffs.
Easily and unquestionably. I agree that it has more to do with management. Also, Shaq put up really good numbers, probably going beyond expectations. You can't pin their not making the playoffs on him. If he puts up these sorts of numbers with the Cavaliers, that will help a team quite a bit...a team that made it to the Conference Finals. Regardless, Shaq always makes things more interesting!!! 
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#2090583 - 06/26/09 07:46 AM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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Believe me, I've watched a lot of Vince over the years. He is a great talent, but another guys who needs a lot of time with the ball in his hands.
Yeah, this struck me as an odd deal. Also, I don't know Orlando's situation really well. Since they've gotten Carter, do they have enough money to keep the other major players? What's the situation here?
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#2090660 - 06/26/09 09:37 AM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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I don't if or what college basketball you guys pay attention to. I am pretty attentive to the Big East, and tis year I watched DeJuan Blair (pick #36, San Antonio) aboslutely dominate UCONN's Thabeet (pick #2) on several occasions.
Now, calling Blair 6'7 is generous, and hes had major surgery on both knees, but what a score for Buford and the Spurs at #36
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#2090744 - 06/26/09 11:37 AM
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It was Thabeet's revenge.
Thabeet locks up the second pick and a 12 million dollar salary (24 million if he makes it 5 years).
Dejuan Blair is guaranteed nothing but he's got a cool video on youtube where he tosses Thabeet wrestling style without a foul.
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#2090746 - 06/26/09 11:40 AM
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Orlando took Carter as a hedge against Turkoglu's exploring free agency. It gives them more options in signing free agents besides Turkoglu. Orlando's owner (the founder of Amway) is on record as saying he's going over the cap this year. At age 84 it appears he wants to go out big.
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#2090750 - 06/26/09 12:02 PM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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Also Orland moves into the new event center in 2010 (after next season). They want to male a splash. It has more seats but more importantly many more premium $$$$ seats (Corporate boxes, club seats, etc). They think they can sell these out if the right team is on the court and the additional revenue justifies a higher payroll.
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#2090881 - 06/26/09 08:38 PM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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Dejuan Blair is guaranteed nothing but he's got a cool video on youtube where he tosses Thabeet wrestling style without a foul.
Well, that's the Pitt way. Whereas UCONN prefers its players to be involved in industrious extra-curricular activities such as laptop theft rings... And in other Big East news, Syracuse fans cried when Jonny Flynn declared. We laughed when Devendorf did.
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#2091412 - 06/29/09 11:13 AM
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#2091415 - 06/29/09 11:22 AM
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#2091436 - 06/29/09 11:49 AM
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This is unfortunate. The Rockets appeared to be a very serious contender. I hope things work out well for him.
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#2091504 - 06/29/09 02:14 PM
Re: Official NBA 2009-2010 Thread
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Here's some comments from a team physician responding to the Yahoo! article. He's basically agreeing that it could be really, really bad, but at the same time, Yao feels fine and he was as surprised as anyone that it had not healed yet. There is some hope here. After seeing how Yao practically forced his way back into the game when his knee was banged up, and how much he wanted to play after he did hurt his foot, more than for the Rockets, I feel really bad for the guy. I'd hate for basketball to be taken away from him like this.
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#2091676 - 06/30/09 07:46 AM
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