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#2007583 - 10/31/08 11:59 AM Which Envelope Filter do you use?
SteveC Offline
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We are looking at doing some more funky (Jamiriquoi) stuff in the "jam" band. I am researching filters. I tried to search, but no luck.

What are you all using these days?

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#2007591 - 10/31/08 12:23 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: SteveC]
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One of these.

It rules.
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#2007594 - 10/31/08 12:25 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: Tater Nuts]
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More than a Mu-Tron?

Also thinking of getting other analog units. I tried a VS Chorus that sounded WAY better than my Boss CEB-3. I also like my MXR Phase 90. The analog stuff sounds so natural.


Edited by SteveC (10/31/08 12:25 PM)

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#2007601 - 10/31/08 12:31 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: SteveC]
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 Originally Posted By: SteveC
More than a Mu-Tron?


An original one: no. A new one: yes.
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#2007604 - 10/31/08 12:36 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: Tater Nuts]
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I use an original Mu-Tron III, but you aren't going to find one of those.

Most of the good envelopes are pretty expensive.

I'd recommend the EBS BassIQ, but even that one is a $200 pedal.
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#2007605 - 10/31/08 12:39 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: Tater Nuts]
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I have an original Mu-Tron.... still in the original box.
It uses two 9v batteries about every three hours and makes a bass guitar sound like a two-ton baritone duck with a giant kazoo up its butt.

Someday I am gonna cough up the bucks and buy a power supply for it so I can put it on my pedalboard.

Before you ask--no, you can't have it.
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#2007619 - 10/31/08 01:02 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: The Bear Jew]
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There are a couple on the bay right now from $250 - $500.
The Moog is about $230.

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#2007626 - 10/31/08 01:14 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: SteveC]
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Erik,

Why not just get one of these and hook up both of the "9V button adapters"? It should mimic two 9V batteries pretty well, and provides plenty of current (1.7 Amps each). Only $35.
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#2007638 - 10/31/08 01:35 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: getz76]
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Maury,
I have considered that (I use a Godlyke for the rest of my stuff) but apparently that's not a good way to power the old Mu-Trons... they need 24v for some reason or other and require a special adaptor to do so. Or two 9v batteries.

Now someone will come along and tell me that they do exactly what you described, and it works fine. Then I'll try it and destroy my pedal because you know that's the way life works.

Anyway, one dude makes the "proper" adaptor for these pedals, but he wants something like $75 for it. ugh.
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#2007642 - 10/31/08 01:45 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: getz76]
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Erik, let me send you a Mu-Tron power supply or two.

I had mine modified to use something else and no longer need them.

Getz, you can't use two nine volt supplies or two outputs from a Godlyke. The Mu-tron has a unique system requiring a power supply that puts out 9 volts positive and nine volts negative (if I understand it correctly, which obviously I don't.)

Besides my Mu-Tron III, I have owned:
Electro-Harmonix Q-Tron
EBS Bass IQ
Boss Bass Synth
Electro-Harmonix Baseballs (Russian Version)
Seamoon Funk Machine.
None of them were even close to the Mu-Tron.

I've also used Willie's Emma Discombobulator and am still waiting to try a Pigtronix Envelope Phaser , a Chunk Systems Agent 00Funk Mark II , an Xotic Robotalk, a Subdecay Prometheus , an MG Charles Bukowsky Envelope Filter , and whatever else might be out there.
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#2007643 - 10/31/08 01:46 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: getz76]
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dreaded double-post.

There must be a gremlin in the server.


Edited by jeremy c (10/31/08 03:18 PM)
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#2007670 - 10/31/08 03:11 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: The Bear Jew]
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You're a double post.

 Originally Posted By: CMDN
I have an original Mu-Tron.... still in the original box.


bastard.

 Originally Posted By: CMDN
...makes a bass guitar sound like a two-ton baritone duck with a giant kazoo up its butt.


I'm STILL laughing at that and I read it 5 minutes ago.
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#2007686 - 10/31/08 04:37 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: Tater Nuts]
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If I want that kinda bass thang I use a DOD FX25 or a an Electro Harmonix Bassballs but I'm not big on effects. \:\)
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#2007692 - 10/31/08 04:47 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: Rowbee]
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I like my EMMA DiscumBOBulator. It has visited with Jeremy and Bump. The BassIQ is nice, too. I bumped the thread about my pedal.

Compared to other kinds of pedal effects, my limited experience has been that extra dough makes a difference for envelope filters.

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#2011819 - 11/13/08 09:20 AM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: _Sweet Willie_]
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I just love being late to the party! \:D

In the 'lope catagory I have:
Q-Tron
Bassballs
Boss Dynamic Wah

I have played the Discumbobulator and like id and I am very interested to try out a Bottomfeeder Boomstick which is a clone of the old DOD 440 voiced for bass. And the Subdecay Prometheus interests me as well.

However, my next two pedals are the EHS Bass Micro Synth XO, and the EHX POG (I have the Micro and it kicks righteous ass but I want the POG as well)

Basshappi = Filter Whore
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#2011825 - 11/13/08 09:32 AM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: The Bear Jew]
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 Originally Posted By: CMDN
It uses two 9v batteries about every three hours and makes a bass guitar sound like a two-ton baritone duck with a giant kazoo up its butt.


LOL, how did I ever miss that? That's signature material right there.
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#2011835 - 11/13/08 10:00 AM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: Chewbubba]
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Greetings. I just bought my very first 'gadget'
It is a Bass IQ Envelope filter by EBS. I just ordered for the Unichorus by EBS, it's on it's way!
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#2011848 - 11/13/08 10:26 AM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: TShakazBlackRoots]
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I also really like the Mu-Tron on guitar and theremin... It's a really fun pedal.
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#2011853 - 11/13/08 10:30 AM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: The Bear Jew]
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#2011924 - 11/13/08 01:13 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: forceman]
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I use one of these:

Still, I'm not big on pedals neither. At least not on Bass. On Guitar I use the one at my old, beloved and trusty Roland GP-8 (dynamic filter), very, very eventually. I also have a DOD Octoplus on my bass stuff, which I only have used (as the envelope filter) for fun at home, not that I really had any need for any (now that think about it, the envelope maybe for playing "Chameleon".. mmm. \:P )

What I'd love to have, however, is the exact set of pedals Larry Graham uses on his instructional video. Only the Roland Jet Phaser is built like a tank, and is found expensive as hell on EvilBay... \:P \:P \:P
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#2011925 - 11/13/08 01:15 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: forceman]
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I'd agree that you get what you paid for.
I bought a q-tron micro for £30
And it sucks.
But I do use it occasionally (e.g. Super on my Soundclick).
Envelope Filters are my favourite effect.
But I can't afford a decent one right now.


Edited by Phil W (11/13/08 01:21 PM)
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#2011980 - 11/13/08 03:51 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: Tater Nuts]
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I use the electo-harm Q-tron plus. Its analog has a range of sounds. Not all of them are usable but its relatively easy to get a good usable sound (just aim for the middle the knobs go from so mild you can barley hear the effect to extreme) I'm getting better at finding a sound quickly. Its ananlog and has an effects loop so you can pretty much put whatever you want in the middle of th signal chain.
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#2012002 - 11/13/08 04:54 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: SteveC]
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I have an old Boss T-Wah pedal that I really dislike. It's pretty crappy so I may be looking for a good envelope filter myself.


Edited by b5pilot (11/13/08 04:55 PM)
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#2012030 - 11/13/08 06:08 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: b5pilot]
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 Originally Posted By: b5pilot
I have an old Boss T-Wah pedal that I really dislike. It's pretty crappy so I may be looking for a good envelope filter myself.


Using a boost pedal dirty or clean can make a huge difference when using a auto wah. As will any other pedals you use. Also using a pick can make a big difference.


Edited by Big Red 67 (11/13/08 06:09 PM)

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#2012094 - 11/13/08 09:51 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: Big Red 67]
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My main EF is a Seamoon Funk Machine that makes me very happy despite it's age and proclivities.

I also have a Korg multi-effects unit that takes AC power and does an acceptable job at the filter thing when I am looking to do that thing on headphones late at night.

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#2012186 - 11/14/08 07:41 AM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: wraub]
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 Originally Posted By: wraub
...when I am looking to do that thing on headphones late at night.

Um...you use effects for that?
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#2012252 - 11/14/08 09:27 AM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: wraub]
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 Originally Posted By: wraub
My main EF is a Seamoon Funk Machine that makes me very happy despite it's age and proclivities.

Peace,

wraub



Cool! I've always wanted to try out one of those.

I haven't been able to find a Guyatone BR2 around here either.

Here is a very good FX info/review site:
DiscoFreq's FX site

Cheers!
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#2012259 - 11/14/08 09:43 AM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: davio]
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 Originally Posted By: davio
 Originally Posted By: wraub
...when I am looking to do that thing on headphones late at night.

Um...you use effects for that?

You ain't lived till you tried it with the effects, baby...
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#2012378 - 11/14/08 02:07 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: Juancarlin]
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No one has mention the BOSS FT-2 DYNAMIC FILTER I love that thing very to play you never get bore of it. specialy if you have ACTIVE ELECTRONICS IN YOUR BASS. Very analog and natural very responsive to your dynamics.

Made in 1976 and was only under procuction for two years, because it was fard to futuristic so people didn't like it.
check it out. Boss FT-2 DYNAMIC FILTER \:\)

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#2017277 - 11/26/08 05:58 PM Re: Which Envelope Filter do you use? [Re: azucar4u]
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Im looking at the DOD FX25 and i've noticed that there is just a regular DOD FX25 and a DOD FX25B. Which one is more reliable with sound and options?
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