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#1918331 - 03/29/08 12:46 PM Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding
newguy_dup1 Offline
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Hi All - Is there a way to do this without ripping the skin just below my fingernails off? This happens going up (middle finger), and down (thumb).

What's the trick?

Thanks!
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#1918336 - 03/29/08 12:57 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: newguy_dup1]
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That Nord Electro piano patch don't sound too bad anymore, now does it? \:P \:D
Seriousry, on a full-weighted keyboard, I avoid glissandoes as much as possible.
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#1918347 - 03/29/08 01:24 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: Botch]
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 Originally Posted By: Botch
That Nord Electro piano patch don't sound too bad anymore, now does it? \:P \:D
Seriousry, on a full-weighted keyboard, I avoid glissandoes as much as possible.


Unfortunately I'm a Jerry Lee Lewis wannabee. I've got a Yamaha Motif, which has as much give to it as stainless steel, at least that's what it feels like during the glissandos.

So, since I'm going to do them anyway, does anyone know the right way to do them (which part of which finger, going up and going down)?
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#1918348 - 03/29/08 01:25 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: Botch]
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OT kind of, but I got loaded with the killer one night backstage. I'll never forget it. Just had to say it.

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#1918350 - 03/29/08 01:28 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: linwood]
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Use 3 fingers - spread out the surface area and the pain.

Some people learn to gliss with the palm side of their fingers, but that always feel unnatural to me.
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#1918371 - 03/29/08 02:21 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: mate_stubb]
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I read somewhere that JLL had guitar picks on the piano on each side of the keybed and grabbed one for glissandos... just don't drop them between the keys! ;\)

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#1918386 - 03/29/08 02:42 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: newguy_dup1]
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matter of practice, I use dump going down and small finger going up with no problems, but you have to use your nails.

check this out: Jerry Lee riffs tutor
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#1918389 - 03/29/08 02:52 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: delirium]
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I have a nice wart grown up to my forefinger. Doesn't hurt any more...
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#1918393 - 03/29/08 03:13 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: Bronks]
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If you grow out the nails you're using it won't tear up your cuticles.
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#1918398 - 03/29/08 03:20 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: mate_stubb]
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 Originally Posted By: mate_stubb
Some people learn to gliss with the palm side of their fingers, but that always feel unnatural to me.


I've developed that technique for rock, but it's sloppier than the proper fingernail approach.
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#1918401 - 03/29/08 03:26 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: arneyz]
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After your present wounds heal, do another 100 glissandos until the skin rips open again. Let it heal, then repeat this process numerous times. Your body's adaptive response will be to develop a callus. Once this occurs, the glissandos won't hurt anymore.

Sincerely,

Moonglow


P.S. You can also let this process naturally develop over several months/years. ;\)
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#1918407 - 03/29/08 03:37 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: Moonglow]
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I use the palm side of my fingers. Index and middle finger together going down, thumb going up.

I definitely have to be careful not to get too carried away, though. I've ended up with blood on the keys before too.

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#1918411 - 03/29/08 03:44 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: Dave Pierce]
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using palms side you got too much friction and very little precision.
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#1918449 - 03/29/08 05:16 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: arneyz]
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 Originally Posted By: arneyz
If you grow out the nails you're using it won't tear up your cuticles.


Just don't get those fingernails caught between the keys. That is a bloody nightmare.

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#1918456 - 03/29/08 05:33 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: Bobadohshe]
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Now here's an unpopular answer: With long nails you might be able to play glisses, but the rest of your playing will suffer.

JLL even used his shoe/foot sometimes to do it. (May be better to program a gliss and hit a button, instead of hurting your hands or the keyboard. No gliss is worth damaging either.)

Otherwise, the rare times I've done it I used my thumbnail, so I didn't hurt the rest of my hand.

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#1918505 - 03/29/08 08:28 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: SK]
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I was always very careful with glissando's in the beginning... until one day I forgot that I had been careful about it! It was one of those things where you think ALOT and then suddenly, auto kicks in at some juncture! Then you don't consider hurt quite as much...odd thing actually that type of stuff! I like it!

that's the way it was from my vector, but mine can be sloppy. like on a Jerry Lee bootleg. they get better after a few years if you play alot.

just think American!
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#1918530 - 03/29/08 09:51 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: Legatoboy]
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I believe it was Jerry Lee Lewis I saw on NPR a few years ago in a retrospective concert. When they came downstage afterwards to acknowledge the crowd you could see his hand was bleeding.

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#1918577 - 03/30/08 03:56 AM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: Byrdman]
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 Originally Posted By: Byrdman
I believe it was Jerry Lee Lewis I saw on NPR a few years ago in a retrospective concert. When they came downstage afterwards to acknowledge the crowd you could see his hand was bleeding.


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#1918606 - 03/30/08 05:48 AM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: delirium]
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"Honestly officer, I was actually doing glisses on a real piano. I've been framed!" (Lady Macbeth, after being caught in flagrante) \:D
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#1918613 - 03/30/08 05:54 AM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: Cliffk]
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 Originally Posted By: Cliffk
"Honestly officer, I was actually doing glisses on a real piano. I've been framed!" (Lady Macbeth, after being caught in flagrante) \:D


\:D

I always put on heavy-duty gloves before playing rock'n'roll piano.
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#1918626 - 03/30/08 06:14 AM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: Leberwurst]
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WD-40...

spray a little onto a paper towel and gently apply to your keyboard...I did this with my RD600 and it helped. Maybe once a month or so.

If you are playing jerry lee style you are doing the glisses correctly.

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#1918641 - 03/30/08 06:46 AM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: grockvt]
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synthetic piano oil even better...

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#1918729 - 03/30/08 09:21 AM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: delirium]
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stop this now! stop the madness!
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#1918731 - 03/30/08 09:24 AM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: Legatoboy]
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first 15 seconds should suffice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0f2aFhZ3Uk
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#1918743 - 03/30/08 09:37 AM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: SK]
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May be better to program a gliss and hit a button, instead of hurting your hands or the keyboard.

Get him!
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#1918744 - 03/30/08 09:39 AM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: Botch]
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 Originally Posted By: Botch
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May be better to program a gliss and hit a button, instead of hurting your hands or the keyboard.

Get him!


actually a good idea, use preprogrammed ribbon controller.
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#1918908 - 03/30/08 03:22 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: delirium]
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Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I do this.

Doctor: Don't do that.
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#1918928 - 03/30/08 03:52 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: Dave Horne]
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 Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I do this.

Doctor: Don't do that.


Doctor, but It hurts when I'm breathing...
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#1918950 - 03/30/08 04:39 PM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: delirium]
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There's some truth to it. But the way I see it is: if the pain worries you when you're playing a gliss - you shouldn't be playing it. If it doesn't worry you, that's when you should play it.

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#1919165 - 03/31/08 04:42 AM Re: Jerry Lee Lewis Glissando ... my fingers are bleeding [Re: delirium]
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 Originally Posted By: delirium
 Originally Posted By: Dave Horne
Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I do this.

Doctor: Don't do that.


Doctor, but It hurts when I'm breathing...


Oh, were we talking about a matter of life and death ... did I miss something?
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