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#2128376 - 10/25/09 11:00 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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Although this isn't quite what you guys are talking about, since a few days I have the idea of somehow getting hold of a top notch big band/jazz orchestra, a singer who sounds absolutely like Sinatra, then arrange "I thought about you" in show big band style and, after a long expectation-building intro, let the singer sing lines like "I shaved my armpit today, and I thought about you".
Just watching the audience during the perfomance would be worth the work for me.
However, that's just me. grin
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#2128531 - 10/25/09 09:48 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Mo 'Wurst]
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Ok guys and girls,
here's my version of Burt Bacharach's "Alfie", which I had hoped to include in the latest KC comp. Unfortunately, only recently I've had the chance to record it with a real piano (Yamaha C3), then I've added a (very) fake double bass at home, courtesy of my K2600. It's in fact preset 41, "String Bass", unedited. smile

I hope that by listening to it, the reason why I didn't want to record it with a sampled piano will be clear. It's a rather intimate version, suitable for an Evans-type piano trio.
The timing of the bass is a bit out in spots, 'cause I've played the piano part rather freely, so overdubbing with perfect sync was a challenge.

Also, about the recent discussion about just *why* to reharm perfectly good songs... grin Well, in my case, I see it as an art in itself, like composing, arranging, or improvising. When you do it for a long time, you reach a level where you don't think about the technique anymore; you have a certain vision of the song, and you simply do your best to get it to the audience, and to convey a certain atmosphere that you have in mind.

Alfie

There's a little intro, but it should be very clear where the theme begins. Enjoy.

Edit: I've noticed that in my little computer system, the bass is almost inaudible... (on the system where I mixed, if was loud and clear)
Can you hear the bass? If not, I could remix it with more bass in it. The bass is quite important to anchor the voicings.






Edited by marino (10/25/09 09:53 PM)

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#2128621 - 10/26/09 07:47 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: marino]
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Very pretty, Carlo. It draws out the quality of the song in different ways but still in an organic way. Nice. thu

I could hear the bass fine - it added nicely to the music, but a little fuller bass sound would be even better.
Originally Posted By: marino

Also, about the recent discussion about just *why* to reharm perfectly good songs... grin Well, in my case, I see it as an art in itself, like composing, arranging, or improvising. When you do it for a long time, you reach a level where you don't think about the technique anymore; you have a certain vision of the song, and you simply do your best to get it to the audience, and to convey a certain atmosphere that you have in mind.
What you describe is the way I think of playing in general, if we throw out all the approach terms like reharm/arranging/writing. It's about the music we make, nothing else. In that broad sense, I agree.


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#2128748 - 10/26/09 01:43 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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Oh, and here's my belated audio response to your "All Of Me." Tongue in cheek - it's all I could bring myself to do with it. freak

http://stashbox.org/674775/all%20of%20me.wav


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#2128796 - 10/26/09 04:49 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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Carlo -
Your Alfie is wonderful! Very rich harmonies and inner voice movement.

SK-
Once again, your creativity never ceases to amaze me. ;-)

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#2128803 - 10/26/09 05:27 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Piano4U]
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Great stuff, as usual, guys.

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#2128850 - 10/26/09 08:21 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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Originally Posted By: SK
Oh, and here's my belated audio response to your "All Of Me."

I see only one possible response to this:

grin grin grin


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#2128863 - 10/26/09 09:27 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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OK, here is a new mix of "Alfie" with a little more bass on it. The link in the original post has been updated as well. The harmony should sound clearer now.

Originally Posted By: SK

I could hear the bass fine - it added nicely to the music, but a little fuller bass sound would be even better.

Well, that's not possible since I've recorded the bass to an audio track, no MIDI involved... I would have to play another whole bass track, and the first one was tricky enough, with all the free-floating piano playing! smile

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#2128867 - 10/26/09 09:57 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Piano4U]
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Originally Posted By: Piano4U
Carlo -
Your Alfie is wonderful! Very rich harmonies and inner voice movement.


Thanks a lot Roger! (Just today I've listened to your album again) smile

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#2128869 - 10/26/09 10:18 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: marino]
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That sounds a little better - it's very nice.

Nice nebulous key center with the Bbmaj.7#11 chord at the top, and I love that simple Gm, C sus effect going to the Fmaj7 (after the Gb half diminished, 7#11 or whatever you want to call it to the B.) You freshened the tune up, which was no small feat for a tune that was already nice.

Thanks for the grins on the silly "Part Of Me". It was only deserving of one grin icon at best.

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#2128936 - 10/27/09 07:56 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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Thanks Steve; once again, you've nailed those changes very well. As I wrote it, that section looks like this:

| F#m7b5 B7 | Gm7 C7sus C7 | Fmaj7 Bbmaj7 | Bm7 E7 |
| Fmaj7 Bbmaj7 | F#m7 B7 |

That's the first ending, for coming back to the beginning of the A section.

Edit: Ooops! I forgot the last two bars.




Edited by marino (10/27/09 08:04 AM)

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#2128953 - 10/27/09 08:57 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: marino]
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Beautiful version, Carlo!

Steve, maybe time to think about that concept for your next record? wink

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#2129165 - 10/28/09 12:26 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: lucasb]
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Originally Posted By: lucasb
Steve, maybe time to think about that concept for your next record? wink
Hmm, a CD with a hundred tracks... freak 30 second sections of songs I can't bring myself to play all the way through.

I think you're onto something. wink smile

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#2129228 - 10/28/09 07:18 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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I think The Residents had the same idea 30 years ago... grin

The Commercial Album

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#2129377 - 10/28/09 12:29 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: marino]
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Hi guys. Sorry I haven't been active lately. I've been fighting off the flu throughout the whole weekend until yesterday. I need to go back and catch up on some of your reharms. Here's a reharm I did of "Imagine" (not even close to Vijay Iyer's) but I'm kinda torn on it. Some parts I like, and some I'm not crazy about. So, I'll put it up for public scrutiny, and see what you guys think.

http://www.divshare.com/download/9073989-8c8

Thanks,
-Nathan
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#2130808 - 11/02/09 01:38 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: ndhjazz]
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Check out this kid


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#2130814 - 11/02/09 01:58 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: linwood]
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No, he didn't!
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#2130817 - 11/02/09 02:03 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: zephonic]
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13 yrs old. Jeesh! Where do I throw my towel? mad grin
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#2130825 - 11/02/09 02:21 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: floyd tatum]
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Eldar had a kid? Unbelievable....

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#2130826 - 11/02/09 02:22 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: cnegrad]
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...and in case anyone cares, here's Stevie Wonder blowin' on Giant Steps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYoadikm1sI&feature=related

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#2130841 - 11/02/09 03:26 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: cnegrad]
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The kid's an amazing talent - assimilating Chickisms into his lines already. He couldn't have been working on that for more than what - 5 or so years total?

It also a good reminder of what fun he's actually having, which we should always have.

Stevie Wonder is a great pop songwriter/singer, but his playing on Giant Steps would have been good for a 13 yr. old.

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#2130856 - 11/02/09 04:29 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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Steve,

I wasn't suggesting a musical comparison; I was just responding to one outrageous musical surprise with another.

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#2130863 - 11/02/09 05:01 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: cnegrad]
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Nathan, your "Imagine" sounds nice. Maybe I hear a bit of an excessive contrast between the verse, which would be suitable for a folk-rock arrangement, and the chorus, with its more dense and jazzy chords.
Once again, I'd love to hear your reharms in a full arrangement context, maybe even with voice. smile

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#2130883 - 11/02/09 06:39 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: cnegrad]
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Originally Posted By: cnegrad
I wasn't suggesting a musical comparison; I was just responding to one outrageous musical surprise with another.
You succeeded. smile I didn't think you were comparing them - I made the outrageous comparison.

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#2130971 - 11/03/09 05:31 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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This morning I made an arrangement of "What's New". Meh. Somehow I had it better in my mind. I blame it on general morning sleepiness. Even better, I blame it on my youth rimshot

So Mo and his Plastic Orchestra give you: "Wuzz new"

http://www.divshare.com/download/9164054-38c
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#2131036 - 11/03/09 08:47 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Mo 'Wurst]
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Pretty, Mo'. Nice, sort of slow latin feel.

One minor thing I'd have done differently is set up the key changes to F and C more with chords leading to them, so they "arrive" instead of suddenly appearing as a surprise key change. But you can rationalize that either way - I liked it (except maybe for the end quote smile )


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#2131054 - 11/03/09 09:46 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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Originally Posted By: SK
Pretty, Mo'. Nice, sort of slow latin feel.

One minor thing I'd have done differently is set up the key changes to F and C more with chords leading to them, so they "arrive" instead of suddenly appearing as a surprise key change. But you can rationalize that either way - I liked it (except maybe for the end quote smile )



Hey, thanks for the suggestion. I'll work on the key changes, that's a great hint! wave
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#2131072 - 11/03/09 10:47 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Mo 'Wurst]
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Not even a suggestion, just an afterthought. You did a nice job on it.

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#2131090 - 11/03/09 11:35 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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Originally Posted By: SK
Not even a suggestion, just an afterthought. You did a nice job on it.


Now you're rationalizing.












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#2133232 - 11/10/09 11:47 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Mo 'Wurst]
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Here's another 'Name That Tune'. This should be a very easy one.

Part of a solo already in progress. Nothing special, but I tried to play some faux drums on it. I know they sound cheesy, but I felt like messing around with it.

http://stashbox.org/694245/Name%20That%20Tune%20Two.mp3

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