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#2098148 - 07/22/09 01:59 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: lucasb]
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Reharmalodic anyone? freak

http://stashbox.org/577103/Una%20Muy%20Bonita%20.mov

An old Ornette tune, so I drew on that style. All split bass played simultaneously with right hand solo and head. The rest was added afterwards, including some drums overtop the crummy drum track. Free solo, keeping the form of the tune.

No excuse for this experiment - I just felt like doing it. Maybe someone will enjoy it. And there's a "Name That Tune" quote in the solo.

Reharm on last A at end of track.

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#2098216 - 07/22/09 07:39 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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Originally Posted By: SK
Reharmalodic anyone? freak


Haha, a reharmalodic by a reharmaholic. Well, I don't know the tune but it sounds to me like Ornette threw the notes to Swinging on a Star up in the air and caught a few on the way down. I know, who asked me. Can't say as I get it but the mood is fun. smile

The cool thing is, the man is still living, right? Wondering if you've ever met. And how old would he be??

Dave, your piano sounds pretty good! You're almost there! wink
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#2098336 - 07/22/09 10:55 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: gangsu]
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SK,

I have no idea what the tune is but it reminded me of a J.Zawinual composition. I liked it even with the 'crummy' drum track!


I'm back from my 2012 adventures in high places! Very different from high places at Yamaha that is true.

I have a friend into the 2012 stuff and the Mayan calander and had just watched a DVD he gave me, sorry I stepped on that thread, I shouldn't have been posting half bagged and drunk!

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#2098400 - 07/22/09 12:29 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Legatoboy]
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Originally Posted By: Legatoboy
I shouldn't have been posting half bagged and drunk!

lb
Unlike myself, at least you had an excuse, and glad you liked the tune anyway. grin The song is "Una Muy Bonita". I hope I played the melody right - resurrected by memory from years ago.

Sue, Ornette's alive, but I've never met him. I met Charlie Haden and Don Cherry who played with him. Thanks for listening - Ornette played it much more lyrically. The last trumpet line on the solo is what I 'believe' were the first notes of Ornette's solo on the tune. Maybe someone with the record could confirm that.

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#2098481 - 07/22/09 03:24 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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It's been a few years but we were briefly playing that tune with my trio.

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#2098487 - 07/22/09 03:41 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: lucasb]
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Yardbird Suite is what Joe...er...I mean Steve was quoting. cool grin

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#2098495 - 07/22/09 04:26 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: moj]
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Originally Posted By: moj
Yardbird Suite is what Joe...er...I mean Steve was quoting. cool grin
That's correct moj, you win the free salad, with dressing of your choice.

Sorry, not quite the Hawaiian vacation prize Lucas won, but with this fantastic economy we're in and all.... freak

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#2105958 - 08/15/09 09:07 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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here is my my version of "shadow of your smile" but not sure how much of the reharm is in it cause don't remember the origin.

http://www.4shared.com/file/125225150/afe000a2/shadow.html

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#2117772 - 09/21/09 01:29 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: robson]
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It's been a while since anything has been added and I thought I'd add an oldie ... and perhaps, a moldy. smile

Sweet Lorraine
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#2121359 - 10/02/09 09:23 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Dave Horne]
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Sweet Lorraine - there's a tune you don't hear played these days. Nice job on that, Mr. Horne.

Well, thanks to the expertise/guidance/encouragement of my forum friends Linwood, Piano4U, gangsu, and some non-forum friends, I took the plunge and got a new iMac, external hard drive and Digital Performer. I've had DP installed for maybe a week, and finally got a first test recording. (Jumped in with a machette and figured out just enough to record without using a manual yet.) I'm slowly becoming technologically current.

An old friend and great piano player sent me a recording of this excellent song, written by a drummer friend of his. To think a drummer chose to write a ballad! (Who said drummers aren't musicians?) I played this more flamboyantly than I would in real life to explore some recording possibilities with DP.

Edit: From this point I described the tune and posted it, but I just decided this may not be the right tune for "the room" - so I removed it. Anyone who wants to hear it is welcome to PM me for the link.


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#2121360 - 10/02/09 09:57 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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Originally Posted By: SK
(Who said drummers aren't musicians?)
history, experience, reality, take your pick...
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#2121365 - 10/02/09 10:41 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: kanker.]
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Depends... absolutes don't apply to every musician, and great drummers are rare. I've worked with maybe 10 or 11 great drummers tops - but the rest, "so many drummers, so little time".

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#2121366 - 10/02/09 10:43 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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Originally Posted By: SK
Depends... absolutes don't apply to every musician, and great drummers are rare. I've worked with maybe 10 or 11 great drummers tops - but the rest, "so many drummers, so little time".
It was kind of a joke, but yeah - playing with a great one ruins you.
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#2121368 - 10/02/09 11:06 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: kanker.]
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Originally Posted By: kanker.
playing with a great one ruins you.
Yeah, you get spoiled, which is still better than never being spoiled. smile

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#2121393 - 10/03/09 01:50 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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#2121402 - 10/03/09 04:07 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: zephonic]
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At times like this idea it's important to realize that some people say things that other people never would - for very different reasons.

Kanker, that was kind of funny, and I did kind of laugh. wink

Now give it to me! the link, that is. cool PM sent.
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#2121594 - 10/03/09 08:35 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: zephonic]
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Originally Posted By: zephonic
Great drummers spoil you, lousy drummers spoil everything else.
Perfectly said.

And i know kanker was joking in fun. kanker's cool. I was just trying to keep the usual bad rap for drummers (and guitarists) on this forum from developing in this thread. Probably an unnecessary reaction on my part. rimshot

Here's my first DP test again. I won't leave it up since it's not my song or a reharm, but I did try to play something on it. I used some of a Jarrett style, since it lends itself to that approach.

see edit:


Edited by SK (10/04/09 03:10 PM)
Edit Reason: DP test concluded, thanks for listening.

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#2121612 - 10/03/09 10:11 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Beeboss]
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Originally Posted By: Beeboss
OK I got one, just to try to keep the thread alive. It's rather rough, just a turn the tape on and play kinda thing, more unharm than reharm... someday my prince will come.
Another lovely tune destroyed!


http://www.divshare.com/download/7627012-f82


I find this style very intriguing. What is Beeboss thinking to play like this counterpoint? Is there some sort of system to the approach? It sounds so free but he is maiantaing some semblance of tonalities. How would you show somebody to play in this style? Reminds me of Jarrett the first few bars but then more of the Tristano school, it's sounds like free counterpoint... but what is he thinking? It reminds me of Dave Frank, the former student of Tristano that teaches in NY.

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#2121638 - 10/04/09 03:52 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Jazz+]
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Originally Posted By: Beeboss
... someday my prince will come.
Another lovely tune destroyed!


http://www.divshare.com/download/7627012-f82


I find this style very intriguing. What is Beeboss thinking to play like this counterpoint? Is there some sort of system to the approach? It sounds so free but he is maiantaing some semblance of tonalities. How would you show somebody to play in this style? Reminds me of Jarrett the first few bars but then more of the Tristano school, it's sounds like free counterpoint... but what is he thinking? It reminds me of Dave Frank, the former student of Tristano that teaches in NY.


I would say that I wasn't really thinking of anything, certainly not scales or chordal structures. I just sat down and let my hands do what they wanted, for better or worse. I had a vague idea of the tune there but thats all. Theres no secret to free improvisation, you just do it.
I don't really think you can really teach free improvisataion, but it is something you can learn yourself, something that you can get better at, at least when you get sarted on free palying. After a while the whole concept of better or worse just drifts away and it is just about what you play in the moment, and then the moment is gone. I couldn't play that again if I tried, but thats good though as next time something else will happen.
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#2121660 - 10/04/09 06:54 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Beeboss]
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Originally Posted By: Beeboss

I would say that I wasn't really thinking of anything...


IMO that statement is the essence. It is not about thought. It is a channeling of creative energy, and art as a form of expressing one's self - and BTW David, I really enjoyed listening to it. ;-)

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#2121677 - 10/04/09 07:58 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Beeboss]
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Originally Posted By: Beeboss
After a while the whole concept of better or worse just drifts away and it is just about what you play in the moment, and then the moment is gone. I couldn't play that again if I tried, but thats good though as next time something else will happen.


Fabulous statement! thu

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#2121684 - 10/04/09 08:39 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Beeboss]
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Originally Posted By: Beeboss


I would say that I wasn't really thinking of anything, certainly not scales or chordal structures. I just sat down and let my hands do what they wanted, for better or worse. I had a vague idea of the tune there but thats all. Theres no secret to free improvisation, you just do it.
I don't really think you can really teach free improvisataion, but it is something you can learn yourself, something that you can get better at, at least when you get sarted on free palying. After a while the whole concept of better or worse just drifts away and it is just about what you play in the moment, and then the moment is gone. I couldn't play that again if I tried, but thats good though as next time something else will happen.


Those of us that are serious about this music have put many years of study and practice into it. There comes a time though when you have to forget all the theory and just play, let it go, no analyzing, make YOUR statement. Like both Roger and BB said, it's about channeling all that creative energy into the moment, not always an easy thing to pull off.

Listening again David, REALLY enjoyed that, excellent.

Steve, congrats on getting your new iMac (I can't pull my wife off of ours) and getting the DP thing going.
I liked the tune. It was nice to hear the piano come in after the Rhodes, nice effect. Good sounds too. The recording quality definitely had more clarity to it. Sounds like a big step up.



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#2121695 - 10/04/09 09:28 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Nice Steve! Glad to see you're up and running and making music. Now, don't you wish you'd gotten that 20 years ago?

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#2121727 - 10/04/09 11:49 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: linwood]
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Hey Steve, that's very pretty. And congrats on the successful crash course. wow, that didn't take long!

Beeboss, nice to see and hear you again too!

And Dave, for better or worse, you had me singing Sweet Lorraine all day. wave Nice playing as always.
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#2121761 - 10/04/09 02:30 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: linwood]
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Thanks for the comments Dave, Sue and Linwood. I know ballads are not on the radar today. Normally people gage playing by chops on up tempos, but ballads can be a tougher litmus test.

I'm glad the sound difference was noticeable, Dave. This higher recording level thing is new for both of us, and I look forward to hearing your results.

Beeboss, your approach always fascinates. I remember when you posted that, I heard it as a loose, peripheral version of the song. But the calm confidence in it was deceptive - it's rare to hear free playing approached in a consistently methodical, understated way.

Free playing is so broad, whatever we strive for and reach, is what it is. thu

Originally Posted By: linwood
Nice Steve! Glad to see you're up and running and making music. Now, don't you wish you'd gotten that 20 years ago?
Absolutely, if it had been available, and thank you for guiding me to it. 20 years ago my 'analog audio workstation' was a boom box with built-in mics. cool

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#2121848 - 10/04/09 07:42 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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Interesting your comments about ballads. I am not hearing that at all around here. Maybe I'm out of the loop? I dunno. I love playing ballads, I think it's still in favor in some circles.

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#2121879 - 10/04/09 09:41 PM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: lucasb]
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Originally Posted By: lucasb
Interesting your comments about ballads. I am not hearing that at all around here. Maybe I'm out of the loop? I dunno. I love playing ballads, I think it's still in favor in some circles.
I meant it as an observation, that ballads are just not as prevalent in society today - since aggressive music has become popular. Of course, it can't take anything away from the musical depth of a well played ballad at all, as you know.

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#2121988 - 10/05/09 08:19 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: SK]
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OK, you meant just overall in all popular music. Gotcha, thanks Steve!

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#2123723 - 10/11/09 05:38 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: lucasb]
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Here's a little reharm of "My Romance" I just did for lessons tomorrow. This time tried to stay in the style of the tune rather than throw all the fancy chords I know at the tune, which is my usual crappy approach. Any words of advice are welcome.

http://www.divshare.com/download/8859662-155
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#2123725 - 10/11/09 05:56 AM Re: The Reharm Room [Re: Mo 'Wurst]
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Very nicely done! I like some of the surprises in there and the inner voice leading. Nice playing and enjoyable to listen to. :-)

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