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#1691417 - 03/03/06 07:16 PM Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
jlrush Offline
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Last night I went to the site of the MMSR4 giveaway to take the survey for the giveaway bass. I answered all the questions they had, and at the end there were several choices of products I was to follow up on in order to be qualified to recieve the free bass.
I was required to choose three items of interest in order to finalize my qualification, but was not able to access the entire page on the first two I tried to choose. The scrool bar only went half way down the page and I couldn't access the "continue" button. I didn't try to choose a third.
Therefore I was unable to complete the survey and fulfill my end of the bargain, hence disqualifying me for not completely filling out all the forms.
Today my inbox is full of mail concerning questions I was asked last night. I feel like I was scammed!
Is this giveaway for real?
If so, what can I do at this point to get the bass?
James Rush
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#1691418 - 03/08/06 08:41 AM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
carpedebass Offline
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jlrush,
I also completed the survey down to the last area where you have to pay for each thing. At that point I just chalked it up to a scam. I can't beleive Bass Player Magazine would allow such garbage on their site. I should complete it and then get my attorney to demand that my new bass be sent to me. It would probably be one of those deals where the bass is "free" but you have to pay a $1,200 handling fee or something. Anyway I guess it goes back to the old "If it seems too good to be true, it usually is."
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#1691419 - 03/08/06 12:45 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
Danzilla Offline
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I saw one of these adds on Guitar Player's forum, for a Gibson SG. I ACTUALLY READ the terms & conditions and realized it left me open to too much bs, so I didnt even start taking the survey. Yes, It sounds too good to be true. If you've got nothing to do but read spam, then maybe it will eventually turn out ok for you. But thanks for plunging in and taking one for the team; now we all know better.
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#1691420 - 03/08/06 01:49 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
Joe McDonough Offline
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Registered: 06/02/00
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Loc: New York, NY
I am sorry to heat that this happened via BassPlayer.com. Can you show me where this ad was posted on the site and what URL it brought you to? I sell the ads on the network and don't believe Bass Player or guitar Player has one like this running.

I think you might have clicked on one of the links in the Google boxes though. We do serve some Google text ads to help with the online revenue and keep the sites up. Almost all publishers on the web do the same and they are marked as Google ads in the colored box. We hope readers can recognize them as non-sponsored ads since they're so prevalent on the web. I am sorry if the placement misled you and I hope you can tell me what ad this was since I'd like to monitor even this type of ad as best I can.

Thanks.
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#1691421 - 03/08/06 02:46 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
Max Sidman Offline
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Registered: 02/25/05
Posts: 48
Loc: The Bay Area
Hi Guys,

Just to follow up on Joe's post...

I read this thread and did a little investigating.

The ad you're referring to is one of the Google ads. Aside from placing the ad space itself, we have very little control over the kinds of ads that appear in that space. We can keep ads for porn and things that out, but if we start restricting terms like "bass" from our Google ads, we'd be cutting out legitimate ads that bass players (or guitar players, keyboard players etc. depending on the site) might truly be interested in.

As Joe said, we'll be monitoring this, but please be aware that Google ads do definitely come with a warning of "caveat emptor," as we aren't responsible for those ads' content or intent.

Please feel free get back to Joe or myself here with any questions or concerns regarding these kinds of adverts.

Thanks.

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#1691422 - 03/08/06 05:54 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
jlrush Offline
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You have had about 5 free Music Man ads, all worded the same, each with different URL's. So if you aren't checking out what ads are in your website, then why allow them?
Selling ad space like this is as bad as the ones about "perfect pitch" and, "learn to play bass in 20 minutes". As much as your mag costs me for a year, you could at least check up on them in the mag and on your site.
I noticed nothing that would tell me they were a Google ad either, BTW. Now my inbox is piling up and people are calling me on the phone. I have certainly been scammed.
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#1691423 - 03/08/06 07:08 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
Max Sidman Offline
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Registered: 02/25/05
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Loc: The Bay Area
Hi jlrush,

I'm truly sorry to hear that you feel you've been scammed, but I can assure you that you have not been scammed by Bass Player magazine.

As I explained in my previous post, we do not "sell" the Google ad space. Google Ad space is on our sites as a way to further monetize our online operation. Individual ads for the Google Ads area are chosen dynamically by the Google system based on the content of a page (in this case, a lot about playing bass). Once we place the space for Google ads on the site, we have no control over the Google system or which ads are placed. We can only block ads by category, which is why ads for pornography and other offensive content do not appear in these ads. Blocking the category of "bass" would stop those ads that have been causing problems, but it would also filter out legitimate adverts that bass players might be interested in.

The Google ads strip is plainly marked at the top with the phrase, "Ads by Goooooogle"; it always has been. These Google ads are on all of the Music Player sites and forum pages, and as my colleague Joe pointed out, they're all over the internet, on literally millions of other sites. They are an online commonality.

Seeing five Google ads with the same wording but five different URLs should raise a red flag that some marketing company that is buying Google Adwords might not be working on the up-and-up.
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#1691424 - 03/10/06 09:41 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
jlrush Offline
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Loc: Columbia, Missouri
Max,
I am not saying that Bass Player is involved in this scam, and it obviously is a scam. However, I certainly never expected something like that to be on your site. I thought if it was on your site it would be perfectly ligit.
As for you saying that the same ad wording with several different URL's should have sent up a red flag, I refer to my previous statement.
It was not as obvious to me as the ads in your mag about "perfect pitch", and "learn to play bass in 20 minutes".
So am I to look at every ad in your mag and on your site with suspicion?
Jim
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#1691425 - 03/10/06 10:02 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
carpedebass Offline
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Registered: 02/17/06
Posts: 532
Loc: Texas
I agree with JlRush here guys...We already spend money subscribing to your magazine, so your problems with the ads are..well..NOT our problems unless we actually try to visit one. Isn't the point of hosting ads to have people look at them? Also, I must disagree with your previous statement about responsibility. According to an attorney friend of mine, it is your site and you are directly responsible for ALL the content. As it is, I'm seriously thinking of NOT re-subscribing next year. Your apparent lack of concern for subscribing members upsets me! Yes, I probably should have known that it was too good to be true, but I honestly figured I would be charged a grand or so for handling or something...not be deluged with spam and spyware. Regardless, I also have begun to distrust your entire site as far as ads. What's next? Selling our subscription names to snail mail spammers?
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#1691426 - 03/12/06 06:01 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
Joe McDonough Offline
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Registered: 06/02/00
Posts: 286
Loc: New York, NY
I am sorry if you think our posts inferred a lack of concern on our part. Neither Max or myself were trying to say that since it was a Google ad it's not our responsibility for having the link on our site. I asked if you could reference the link so that we could work to make sure it doesn't appear here anymore.

I only brought up that this link to the scam was a Google ad since there is a difference between our ads that we place directly and the Google text ads, which we don't. Again, almost all publishers on the internet, such as CNN.com, places these ads since it can help with online revenue and keeping the sites up with free content and forums.

Again, we're sorry this ad has/is appearing. I haven't seen it though so if you can reference the text ad and the URL it goes to, I hope that we can block it from our Google ads. Thank you for bringing it to our attention and for reading the magazines and visiting these sites.
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#1691427 - 03/12/06 06:23 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
jlrush Offline
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Loc: Columbia, Missouri
Look in the bass player forum, man!
Why should I have to do your job for you?
Go through the ads and look for yourself.
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#1691428 - 03/12/06 10:43 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
carpedebass Offline
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Loc: Texas
Quote:
Originally posted by jlrush:
Look in the bass player forum, man!
Why should I have to do your job for you?
Go through the ads and look for yourself.
I agree. I've already been spammed like crazy because I visited the ad once, I really don't plan on visiting again to get the url for you.
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#1691429 - 03/13/06 02:26 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
Danzilla Offline
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Registered: 01/09/04
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Loc: Baltimore, MD
Joe, Max- I apologize for my brethren forumites' rudeness. In all things, you've got to read the fine print. Or just read in general. Reading is fundamental. I understand your position and how these are not adverts arranged through you & BP. I've tried to find the URL's mentioned, and they've disapearred like cockroaches when the lights go on. Thanks for investigating, explaining, and responding.
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#1691430 - 03/13/06 02:54 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
Greg Olwell Offline
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Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 84
Loc: San Bruno, CA
jlrush and carpedebass,

Joe McDonough was simply asking that you help lead him to the site you were having trouble with. Asking someone for the URL you visited is not an unreasonable request and visiting that site will not result in you being spammed. As always, if you're concerned about a website you've visited taking information from your computer, you should regularly clear your cookies and browsing history.

I've taken a look at those ads. They clearly state that this giveaway --- and this company's sole purpose --- is for marketing promotions and surveys. It's also worth noting that they would not have received your information without you agreeing to their terms and conditions, which are unabashed in their intent. Sorry to say this, but you agreed to receive these emails, in return for a chance to win a free bass, by clicking submit --- whether you read the terms and conditions or not.

We work every day to uphold our editorial standards. We can only verify or refute advertiser claims in an editorial review (such as a product review) or in clear cases of fraud. At this time, we're investigating your concerns.
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#1691431 - 03/13/06 10:51 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
carpedebass Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Danzilla:
Joe, Max- I apologize for my brethren forumites' rudeness. In all things, you've got to read the fine print. Or just read in general. Reading is fundamental. I understand your position and how these are not adverts arranged through you & BP. I've tried to find the URL's mentioned, and they've disapearred like cockroaches when the lights go on. Thanks for investigating, explaining, and responding.
I, for one, apologize if what I wrote sounded rude. I was just trying to say that I was unwilling to visit the site again because I do not trust it. In my experience, if they'll spam me, they'll place tracking cookies or other spyware on my machine. Again, I apologize for appearing rude.
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#1691432 - 03/14/06 01:46 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
Fred the bass player Offline
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Loc: New Jersey (where Edison start...
I have to vote on the side of the BP staff when they say they're doing their best to keep spam off their site but need tools like Google to balance their budget and enable them to afford the services they provide here. And I don't believe it's their responsibility to constantly police the site for bad ads. "Caveat emptor" still applies whether they are effective in their efforts or not. And if they did, would you pay for the inevitable increase in subscription prices or a fee for service? You might, but most of us would rather police our own browsers.

Let me draw an analogy with my internet and e-mail providers. While they try to provide spam and anti-virus protection, I've taken for granted that the web is a untamed territory where the hackers are often a few steps ahead of the site monitors. If I get hit by a spybot or trojan virus, I don't go after Juno or Comcast because they were the messenger. It's my responsibility to keep updating my software and to read the warnings out there about the new types of scams and viralware hitting us every day. Incidentally, some of the big players (Google, Microsoft and Symantec to name a few) are in the process of building better scam-filters; of course they will, since the market promises big bucks to the companies that can filter more junk from our web sessions.

Along with "caveat emptor" is another phrase I think applies here: "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch." (Robert A. Heinlein)
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#1691433 - 03/14/06 08:55 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
jlrush Offline
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Okay guys, I started this mess and I'll submit my apology for sounding rude. It's more that I'm frustrated though.
I read the fine print and was aware that the ad was for the sole purpose of gathering info and names. I was willing to put up with that if it got me a bass.
I retrospect though, it seems that they were actually phishing, because at the end of the survey we were to pick three items of interest and would recieve something free as long as we covered shipping. When I realized it was a scam was when I could not complete the entire page. I could only scroll down far enough to give them my credit card #, which I did not do. Carpedebass can verify this.
The ads read:
Free 4string bass guitar
Music Man Sting Ray 4 string bass guitar
Take survey and get it free
There are several of them on the bass forum and they appear randomly on the title pages and in the threads.
Again, my apologies to the staff and fellow lowdowners, and I hope that something can be resolved in this matter.
jlrush
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#1691434 - 03/15/06 03:32 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
Phil W Offline
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Sorry to hear about your misfortune jlrush and carpedebass. BTW you guys can get the URL without going to the site by either hovering the mouse over the offending ad and reading the URL from the status bar underneath your browser window (presuming your using IE) or just right-clicking on the link, selecting properties and cutting and pasting the url. I understand your reluctance to revisit that site. I've had an eye out for it, but not seen it.
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#1691435 - 03/22/06 09:07 AM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
Danzilla Offline
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Uh-oh: now they're doing the same schtick by tempting us with a Fender BenLoy model... er, Geddy Lee:
http://art-offer.com/rd_p?p=113082&t=1091&gift=3893&a=3893-fender%20geddy%20lee%20jazz%20bass

Avoid this, guys!
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#1691436 - 03/22/06 09:10 AM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
carpedebass Offline
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Great!
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#1691437 - 03/22/06 05:40 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
jlrush Offline
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Loc: Columbia, Missouri
Originally posted by Danzilla:

Uh-oh: now they're doing the same schtick by tempting us with a Fender BenLoy model... er, Geddy Lee:

Yer killin' me man! :p
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#1691438 - 03/23/06 09:42 AM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
carpedebass Offline
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jlrush, don't do it!! Step away from the mouse with your hands above your head!!!
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#1691439 - 03/23/06 06:01 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
jlrush Offline
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From the infamous words of Roberto DeVicenzo:
"What a stupid I am!"
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#1691440 - 03/24/06 03:28 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
carpedebass Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by jlrush:
From the infamous words of Roberto DeVicenzo:
"What a stupid I am!"
I resemble that remark!
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#1691441 - 04/25/06 02:43 PM Re: Are the MMSR4 giveaway ads for real?
steve allen Offline
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Before I did a search on "art-offer scam", my enthusiasm for a free Gibson Les Paul for taking a "survey" get the better of me. After the survey, you are asked to sign up for 3 of the products listed. Some of the links are broken, and my scam alarm finally went off but not before signing up for free trials of aol music and rhapsody. (I've since cancelled).
Out of curiosity, if you continue to the next page you have to select 6 of the offers. And on the next page you have to select 9! (out of 14 choices!)
And it probably is $1000 shipping and handling if anyone has ever gotten that far!
SCAM SCAM SCAM (now I hear it...)

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