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#1689366 - 04/17/06 11:37 AM Aging band members
Jeff Klopmeyer Moderator Offline
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I want to talk about something that affects my band, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

At age 37, I am the young puppy of my band. My drummer and close friend is 38. Our bassist is 50. And our singer is 52. Now, none of this precludes our playing good music. In fact, it could be said that our collective experience gives us an advantage over those youngsters who are still learning their instruments, or have no experience gigging. Between us, we've probably done hundreds, if not thousands, of live shows.

That having been said, there are a couple things about being older guys that make it a little harder than when we were young and hungry.

1. We don't get booked at places that appeal to a young crowd. They don't want a band that look like their dads.

2. Physical problems hamper things. All of us have had issues with bad backs and other common things that make it really hard to load gear in/out of gigs, and we don't make enough to really afford roadies and still have profitable shows.

3. Especially in the case of the two older guys, there is a slight prejudice toward playing newer songs within the band. It's not that they don't like newer tunes; it's just that they're not familiar with them and are therfore less comfortable playing them, and since they don't really like the newer music on a personal level, they don't want to take the time to absorb the song.

Any of you run into these challenges? Any advice on how to deal with them?

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#1689367 - 04/18/06 10:28 AM Re: Aging band members
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At 35, it's getting a little weird for me to play all-ages gigs... the teenyboppers who hit on me are literally less than half my age.
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#1689368 - 04/18/06 12:45 PM Re: Aging band members
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Ageism is a factor no matter what. You try to age gracefully I guess. I don't know what the barometer is. I do know that when you take a good look in the mirror, if you look like somneone who's pretending to be someone they're not, it's time to stop or make some changes. If you're over 40 and you're trying to sound like Linkin Park or Death Cab for Cutie, WTF??? Is that really who you are?

If you're over 40 and have dreams of "making it big", you might want to reconsider your career options. You'd be surprised how many guys I deal with who have this issue. They argue "but people are ready for it. It isn't fair." Yeah, well be realistic.

If you're over 40, enjoy making music, AND you are good at it, why stop?

The baby boomer generation is aging, but that age group is far more vibrant and active than previous generations. I think the audience still wants to be entertained. If you pine for the days when "rock was king", that's the demographic who identify with it. I swear kids today put on an AC/DC shirt and try to emulate what "Rockstar" meant, but they're missing some things.

Do people still go out to bars and see live bands? Not as much as they used to, but that's somewhat true across the board regardless of age. There are many reasons why. There are fewer gigs in general. 20 somethings probably don't want to watch a bunch of 40+ guys on stage, unless the music they make is the real attraction. It's so good that they don't care what they look like.

Humping gear sucks. We all know that. IT used to be the trend to carry a ton of crap into bars that was way too much stuff. I Think the good news is that a lot of gear today is more efficent and compact. It sounds better and its more mobile. I used to hump a huge SVT rig. Now I use a 4x10 which is half the size and weight of the SVT 8x10 and is just as powerful. I have a rackmount SVT 3 head which weighs less than half the classic SVT head I used to have. Mackie SRM's are very portable and sound way better than the Yamaha 4115's and Crest power amp I used to carry.

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#1689369 - 04/18/06 04:11 PM Re: Aging band members
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Klopmeyer:
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1. We don't get booked at places that appeal to a young crowd. They don't want a band that look like their dads.

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- Jeff
Form/join another band, while keeping the current one intact.

I'll bet your current band members will understand and appreciate your logic. If not, then they have an issue.
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#1689370 - 04/19/06 01:48 PM Re: Aging band members
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At 42, I'm the youngest guy in my band. Our drummer 47, our bass player is 50 something and our keyboard player is 62. We still have a helluva lot more energy than 90% of the bands in our area. Our keyboard player still hauls a B3 too.

We have no problem playing any music we want but don't play much newer stuff unless we like it.

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#1689371 - 04/21/06 12:00 AM Re: Aging band members
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I don't think it's unrealistic to think in terms of "making it big" at any age. But...one SHOULD, as they age, re-define what making it big means.

When I was 18-25 or so, "making it big" involved playing to huge stadium crowds on a major label tour.

Now that I'm almost 50, I could see "making it big" as successfully marketing my original music to a smaller but loyal cadre of fans, people who are interested in my music rather than how I look, getting some local public station airplay on occasion, playing a small tour of clubs that featured original music, maybe getting some nods by having your songs performed by big stars. Think kinda along the lines of John Hiatt, or any one of a number of blues, jazz, acoustic whatever type artists.

Or, making it big could mean either:

A) Having one of my songs recorded by a major act
B) Writing music for ads, TV, film
C) Joining an established backing band for a major younger star, if one has the chops and the right connections. In other words, you have to look like Jessica Simpson or Justin Timberlake to be a star, but their backup bands are full of guys who look just like me. And before any of you naysayers laugh and say "Whodafuck would want to play with those nimrods anyhoo?"...Laugh all you want, but they fill their bands with some badass session folks. You don't get there by being a slouch.
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#1689372 - 04/21/06 11:19 AM Re: Aging band members
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A friend of mine "made it big" in his 30's. I tend to share Ted's opinion on the definition of making it big. My friend supports himself and his family comfortably by making music. That's my definition. He's not a household name but does a lot of session work, records for a secondary label, tours, does a lot of jingles, and works for Fender doing clinics. He also writes articles for GP and lesson books for Hal Leonard. He is always in demand and busy and it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

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#1689373 - 04/21/06 06:53 PM Re: Aging band members
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One band is my age or older. (except the revolving singers) The other is younger. The younger band sticks up there noses up at Cream, AC/DC, Rush. They are coming around, the singer and I watched the Cream farewell DVD last night and he said, "Hey that's me! That's what I am like, and yer more like Rush." (We had been watching the R30 DVD). It was cool as KOOL to have this guy that I had been telling for years that Cream was his kinda thing finally get it! The other band wants to do Squeeze covers, always a wish of mine. And launches into Zeppelin tunes inbetween our songs at pratice. I seem to have found a place that is right for me and had the grace to let go of the places that were not right. Good friends, good music, good times ya!
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#1689374 - 04/23/06 06:45 PM Re: Aging band members
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At 44 I am the "old fart" of the band, with our drummer being 17, and everyone else inbetween. That being said, I think that the type of music you play has nothing to do with the kind of talent you have. We have a 21 year old lead guitar player who grew up playing Page, Hendrix, Clapton, Beck (Jeff), Blackmore, etc. He has a real grasp on "classic" rock, even though we play a more contemporary version, and knows how to play in the pocket despite his years, or lack thereof.

I am not saying that I will go out and pretend to be Green Day, or some of the other "hot" punk or alternative bands, I am most comfortable with classic rock, milder progressive (Styx, etc) with a touch of funk, R&B and electronica. I play in a contemporary Christian rock band, and my background (30 years in bands) lends itself well to being a tutor in my endeavors, not just the music director. There is an advantage to years, especially if those years are filled with experience. There is the maturity of age, and the enthusiasm of youth. Combined they are unstoppable.

I also agree with Tedster's approach to "making it". I have done the pro touring thing, the mega jingles in too little time, and the time of sitting at home on my ever-spreading butt due to burn-out. All things being equal, I will take the smaller gigs with competent musicians over the hype any day of the week. When it comes down to it, why are we musicians? Is it for the fame or because we love to play? I love to play. End of story. If I make a few bucks along the way, great. If I don't, but I had a good time, great. In the end I am a musician for me. I choose to let other people into my world. They can take it or leave it. As my dad would say (with his heavy German accent) "machts nichts aus" ("it doesn't matter").

To be fair, I used to hump around way too much stuff, also, and have learned how to do more with less. Learning my gear inside out was a great thing to learn, and time well spent. I have mostly older gear that does so much more than play presets (I am a keys player). Even guitar pedals nowadays have lots of features just below the surface waiting to shine if someone will take the time to find them.

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#1689375 - 04/24/06 11:15 PM Re: Aging band members
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I'm 42 in May. I am also the youngest member of my band. I have definitely noticed the effects of 'ageism' and it bothers me sometimes.

I play in a "Classic Rock" band and it seems as though connecting with an audience is so hit and miss these days.We are not opposed to playing new material but it is difficult to get a good blend as well as try to keep the "tried and true" (or as some may say 'worn out')tunes to a happy medium.

I have never really bemoaned 'humpin' the gear' because I've just always excepted it as part of being a musician. But I do feel the physical effect of gigging more than I used to.


Bar owners still suck, audiences are still fickel, the pay stinks and the biz is every bit as lame, mean and heartless as it ever was. But if I can't get up and play for an audience I start to go crazy, so what choice do I have?

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#1689376 - 04/27/06 01:55 PM Re: Aging band members
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Hey Erik, how's it going? Haven't seen you around much lately (well, could be because I haven't had time to hang out myself ...)

Quote:
Originally posted by CMDN:
At 35, it's getting a little weird for me to play all-ages gigs... the teenyboppers who hit on me are literally less than half my age.
I think this is one reason why I play jazz. \:D Seriously, I'm wondering if this factors into why, in my late 20s, I started rediscovering the jazz I had studied in high school and college. I've always played and written kinda jazzy music, but also played in Chili Peppers-esque funk-punk, as well as grunge and acoustic rock bands. Now I'm pretty much just writing and playing jazz (well, straight-ahead purists would call it s**t, so f**k 'em ... kisses!).

In my mid-30s I'm actually the youngest in my group by a wide margin.
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#1934374 - 04/29/08 04:28 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: Michelle (ggurl)]
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my friend just got signed for a 3 album deal in the USA....at the age of 60!
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#1937443 - 05/05/08 02:12 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: skampiepoo]
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Well, that's great. Send your friend our collective congratulations. \:\)

As I looked back at this thread from two years later, I realized I forgot something crucial: genre.

That band was a hard rock band, and the age factor probably was amplified by the type of music we were doing. Had we been a jazz quartet or a bluegrass outfit, no one ever would have cared about our relative lack of youth.

I'm now performing as a solo singer-songwriter doing poppy indie/folk original stuff, and at just under 40, my age is very much irrelevant. It's as acceptable to be a 22-year-old hipster as it is to be a 63-year-old Neil Young-type guy in this world. I'm not at all concerned by my non-youthfulness at this point.

Good thing, too... I'm sure not getting any younger. \:\)

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#1942608 - 05/15/08 01:42 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: Jeff Klopmeyer]
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Genre is definitely important here.

If I was playing in a band that wanted to jump around and play music like Red Jumpsuit Apparatus and whine about being in love with a girl from History class, I'd feel a bit like a moron doing that at my age. Plus, as much as I can relate to those things, they're not current interests for me.

I'm pretty lucky to be playing in a genre where my band can share bills with old-schoolers like Blue Cheer and fit right in... even though we're a lot younger than BC, we're definitely a good bit older than RJA. This crowd doesn't care a whit about some gray hair here and there as long as the rock is brought with authority.
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#1945465 - 05/21/08 09:07 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: The Bear Jew]
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And that's a HUGE factor, as Erik points out.

The attitude overwhelms a few gray hairs in the beard. I know guys who are 20 years older than me that can rock like crazy. No one in their audience cares that they're around 60. And since they bring the rock with authority, as Erik says, even the youngsters in the audience look up to them.

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#1950526 - 05/30/08 11:07 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: Jeff Klopmeyer]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeff Klopmeyer
And that's a HUGE factor, as Erik points out.

The attitude overwhelms a few gray hairs in the beard. I know guys who are 20 years older than me that can rock like crazy. No one in their audience cares that they're around 60. And since they bring the rock with authority, as Erik says, even the youngsters in the audience look up to them.
I think we can thank groups like the Stones for stretching the age boundaries of rockers.

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#1952358 - 06/03/08 06:22 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: Eric VB]
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Sometimes you can find a new tune that came from an older one. For example, Kid Rock has a recently released song that is basically "Werewolves of London" with new lyrics, with a few bits of "Sweet Home Alabama" thrown in for good measure.
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#2032571 - 01/14/09 08:36 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: Ed Coury]
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I'm 59 and play in an Elvis tribute show. I'm the oldest guy in the band but it don't matter because we draw older crowds anyway.

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#2034449 - 01/19/09 11:45 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: Gene]
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I have mostly played in church bands - some of which was loud rock, BTW and of course there my age (now 55) was never an issue. Some of the kids actually looked up to me, except for one snotty little bastard, who I liked for some reason anyway. Not cause he played all that well, but he had great stage presence. I wish he'd return the cheap classical guitar I lent him, but after 6 years, I ain't holding my breath!

I can see where in some venues gray hair might be a factor, though.
But girls didn't hit on me when I was young, either! LOL

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#2073779 - 05/11/09 05:17 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Also, I wouldn't assume that it is age that necessarily dictates unwillingness to play newer stuff. That in itself is ageism. It may just have been the personalities of the two "old guys" in your band.
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#2073791 - 05/11/09 05:58 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: trrish]
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1. Someone mentioned, knowing the genre, I'd add know your audience/venue. Do you NEED to add songs? If so, what new songs fit best.

2. Humping gear is part of the show, and newer lighter gear is a good idea, how about just buying a few quality dollies, maybe one that even converts into a cart? Sure it may not seem "rock and roll" but you're saving your back, and probably a few trips to the van. Work smarter, not harder.

3. As for new songs, see #1 above. Ask yourself if you NEED to add new songs, and ask those guys why they don't want to learn them, communicate.

Good luck.


Edited by Bottom End (05/11/09 05:59 PM)
Edit Reason: I have infinite wisdom tempered by ADD
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#2099709 - 07/27/09 07:10 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: Bottom End]
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I've just become aware that one of the bands I play with, as well as at least two other local bands, is being "Age Descriminated" against. Long story: a new bar & grill opened us about 4-5 years ago and became the new hot place and we became one of the main bands playing there. In fact we because their 'go to' band when another band cancelled, so we played there a lot, until last year, when the owner's daughter started running the place. After that, whenever we tried to talk about new bookings, she would say "Let me check my calendar and I'll call you" and then she wouldn't call. This went on for 6 months or so when the guy in our band who does the booking basically gave up. I found out this past Saturday night what has happened. About 6 weeks ago another band (also geezers) were playing on a Friday night. Apparently the next day the bar got several e-mails saying "We didn't know it was old folks nite" and things like that. It was like a light switch went off. Since then the new booker (owner's daughter) has been slowly weeding out the older bands. She would never admit it, of course. However, I have noticed that they have all kinds of new first time bands booked, so they have had openings but they're trying new bands rather than the geezer bands. I guess the little under age to 30 year old cuties, which is the crowd these days, don't want to look up and see someone their dad's age playing "Crazy Bitch" after all!

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#2100685 - 07/29/09 01:11 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: Nu2Keys]
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Well - if the owner's daughter is running the place and he has bowed out completely, not much you can do. Only thing that may work - are the newbie bands bringing in the crowd or not.

Whoever in the bar is concerned about the $$$$ - owner or daugher (someone better be, or the bar won't survive) - if the old guys can bring in the crowd and the young ones can't - you have a good chance of reversing the decision. OTOH, if their crowd is as good or better - start looking for somewhere else to play.

One other thing - the emails themselves probably don't mean as much as how well the cash register is ringing. Might just be a small group of very vocal people sending the emails.

If you don't get back there - maybe your band can work with one of the other bar/grills in town to make IT the new "hot" place. Come to think of it, "hot" place may or may not mean as much in the till at the end of the evening.
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#2100847 - 07/29/09 07:50 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: MoodyBluesKeys]
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I started this thread three years ago, and I've since turned 40. I've decided that any place that doesn't want a guy my age playing doesn't deserve me. grin

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#2100865 - 07/29/09 09:02 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: Jeff Klopmeyer]
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Old fart.

(I'm about to turn 36. I'm in great shape - round is a shape, isn't it? grin )

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#2100984 - 07/30/09 08:03 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: Griffinator]
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Hey, I look like a hundred bucks. grin

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#2101460 - 07/31/09 12:01 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: Jeff Klopmeyer]
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I think you can still play to the young 20-somethings as long as you can still look and play the part. We are 32, 36, 38 (me), 42, and 43. We are all in pretty good shape and fairly young looking. The wigs take care of the bald/gray problems.

I was recently talking to a 21 yr old guy on break who said "what are you guys doing playing 80's - you weren't around back then". Huh? How old do you think we are? "Oh, 29 or so". Thank you!

Single/Divorced members of our band have managed to still hook up with the younger gals on occasion. Of course, they eventually ended up with girlfriends, so there isn't any of that going on these days. But the opportunity is often there, believe me.

I have to admit, sometimes it wears me out more than it used to - but that could have more to do with working full time and having 2 kids.
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#2102420 - 08/04/09 07:55 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: J. Dan]
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I'm so glad that my band plays music in a genre where the musicians are generally expected to be old, fat, bearded and talentless. I fit right in.
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#2102433 - 08/04/09 08:45 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: The Bear Jew]
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Originally Posted By: CMDN
I'm so glad that my band plays music in a genre where the musicians are generally expected to be old, fat, bearded and talentless. I fit right in.


It's amazing how inclusive Metal has become. grin

I too am old, fat, bearded, and talentless, and still manage to get gigs doing vocals, guitar, bass, whatever needs to be done in local bands... wink

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#2138023 - 11/26/09 05:56 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: Griffinator]
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The only genre I've been able to find where age is not a hindrance is blues. If BB King can get by in his 70's, I'm good for a few more years anyway.

But then, maybe I can start a new genre of boy bands...Old Boy Bands...
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#2181602 - 04/15/10 03:34 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: Jeff Klopmeyer]
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I feel your pain (back & mental)
My cover band spans the age range from 22 to 60. Our front people ( 23 Y.O.female lead singer, and male lead singer - an in-shape 35) are the reason us back line of Geezers can play college gigs. Otherwise, it would just be weddings and corporates (which we like for the $$ and early load out). Bands stuck in the 80s around here get to play the MILF and Biker clubs for chump change. We play about 20 recent hits (from last 2 years) and mix it in with pre-1980 classic rock and a set of stuff from the 90s and early 00s. I thnk we do one 80s tune.
I'm the 60 Y.O. Geezer (who listens to more new music than anyone else)and stay in the back until a solo comes along. I try to convey a stately Gilmouresqe personna since windmills and splits could be injurious to mind and body.

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#2205132 - 06/25/10 12:40 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: Jeff Klopmeyer]
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Originally Posted By: Jeff Klopmeyer
I started this thread three years ago, and I've since turned 40. I've decided that any place that doesn't want a guy my age playing doesn't deserve me. grin


Right on, brother! smile (I've got 41 staring me down from a couple of months away!)
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#2218508 - 08/06/10 10:27 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: picker]
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I read an interview several years ago with Stéphane Grappelli (violin player of Django Reinhardt/Le Hot Club of France fame). The girl doing the interview didn't know anything about Stephane so the questions really sucked. But she did ask one good one. When she asked him about his age (82 at the time) and why was he still touring, he replied to the effect that he gave up celebrating birthdays when he was young because they put you in a category that you have no way of fighting, i.e. since she viewed him as an old man, she was amazed that he could do what he was doing. He said he loved playing more at the age he was at than ever before, and even though he didn't play as fast as he used to, he still played better than ever. But, if he bought into the fallacy that at 82, it was amazing that he even played, much less toured. He loved learning, playing better and he knew buying into other peoples restrictions was fatal. I began subscribing to his philosophy that day and it has helped my playing and my attitude incredibly. I am still aggressively pursuing music at 57 and won't stop until I can't physically do it anymore and the muse is dead. I think, as each year goes by, the field of music loses more preconcieved notions. They are still there, obviously, but it seems to get "better all the time..."
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#2220255 - 08/13/10 07:30 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: cristiano53]
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I am also 57, and I agree completely. I am still learning - primarily a guitarist, but taking flute and mandolin lessons from knowledgeable musicians, and a lot of what I'm learning is applicable to guitar, too.

I find it strange to deal with musicians that I used to play with 15 years ago, and younger than me, who seem to be stuck in a time warp. They just want to do everything the same way we did it then - not that I'm out to reinvent the wheel on everything, but when IMPROVISING I sure don't see any logic in repeating what I did 15 years ago. But we don't play together often so it's not a major issue.

But definitely I plan to continue learning and growing, and if other people don't understand it, it's THEIR problem!

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#2223444 - 08/24/10 12:33 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: Eric Iverson]
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I am 59i have not been amember of a(real)band for 4yrs but have done many gigs most people ihave played with are younger no one has said anything to me iam at a place in my life were music rules my life i do belive iget calls because they want what i do as i amwriting this i just got booked to play at a street fair i have been playing for 40yrs in the past people have called old but i rocked them all night but does it really mater im going to play til they close the lid on me

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#2226370 - 09/02/10 06:54 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: tjfbass]
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65, playing all I can. The age thing really seems to be a problem for young people. When you think about it, an "old" musician is just an experienced player with some wrinkles and less hair. You're still the same on the inside.

The good thing is that you'd be surprised by the girls who are really attracted to that bad boy father image cool dad they never had. Sure, it's not as many as the younger guys draw, but there are a lot of them out there anyway.

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#2226563 - 09/03/10 11:05 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: theGman]
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What is wrong with playing to MILFs anyway! I was single not that long ago, and it would have been kinda nice to have someone a bit closer to my age take an interest. That is not the case anymore, and my new love really loves hearing me play, whether I am practicing, recording, or on stage. Kinda nice.

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#2226587 - 09/03/10 12:27 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: jay da cop]
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57, playing as well or better than ever, getting ready to hit the road with a hot blues rock band, and loving every minute of it. Age is more than a state of mind for sure, but it doesn't have to be the death sentence for your dreams, either.
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#2226973 - 09/04/10 05:51 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: picker]
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I think there was a thread on this about 6 months or more ago (old age, can't recall) and I mentioned that, when you get older/just plain old,...* as long as your body hasn't really started to fall apart*.....you really are the same person just with some wrinkles, etc....sort of like a used car. You can still do the same stuff, just better. I buy lighter equipment now when possible, but that's the only real difference.
It does sound like a load, I never really believed it when old guys told me that years ago,I thought it was a cop out, but age is really in large part a state of mind. Trust me on this one.

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#2267646 - 01/28/11 05:28 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: picker]
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I'm looking to Black Country Communion these days, to get me past the fear of gigging. At 53, I've had more than my share of bad health, and music is the one thing that keeps me going. Glenn Hughes, (the old fart), rockin' his butt off out there with young Joe Bonamassa.....what an inspiration!
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#2269133 - 01/31/11 11:38 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: bobsessed]
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Let's talk about crowd age relative to band age and song selection. I play all 80s and a couple years ago, 85% of our crowd were hot young chicks 21-28 who wanted to dance. I think the popularity of what we do has declined in that age group and our crowd has aged. So I have a multi-fascited question (even though I can't spell it): does the crowd affect your performance, and/or what you play? Do you cater to your fans? Are you in a similar age group as your fans? Do they know?

Sorry, I'm just rambling now...old guys can turn on young gals- I know this to be a fact! But I think what's maybe most useful is the fact that the kids love older music!
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#2274689 - 02/17/11 06:37 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: J. Dan]
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I saw Heart in concert this past Monday. I gotta tell you, considering Ann is 61 and Nancy is now 57, they ROCKED the joint!! Ann sings as good as ever, effortless... Nancy is still smokin' hot on guitar (and not too bad on the eyes). Most of the crowd was my age (now 49) but there was a surprising number of 20's and 30's there. My youngest daughter, who is 20, and a singer/songwriter, is one of Pat Benetar's biggest fans!

So, to bring this back around to 80s-LZ's question - I don't think that the crowd affects WHAT I play, or HOW I play it. Your band is who they are, and the ones that are into your style of music will come see you, a few will stumble onto you, and others will disregard you. That is life. I heard a thing a few years ago that the single biggest demographic buying Steve Miller's recently released greatest hits CD was teens/20's. And this group was actually surprised when us old farts knew all the words! So, I do not think age has anything to do with skill, presence, or ability to draw crowds. I think the biggest factor I have noticed is the crowd's perception. Of course, if you have established yourselves, then they know what to expect. You rock or you suck. People know. Ok, to be fair, some don't, but we should still try to be our best. As far as catering to your fans, to some extent I think we do, for the most part. We want them to continue coming out, so I think we should consider them, keeping in mind the style we have chosen. But that can be a two-edged sword too. There are some songs that are wildly popular that may be a little outside for us but send the crown into a frenzy. It is a balancing act in the end I guess.

Ok, now I am rambling. I have been away too long.

Jay

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#2275009 - 02/17/11 08:47 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: J. Dan]
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Originally Posted By: 80s-LZ
Let's talk about crowd age relative to band age and song selection. I play all 80s and a couple years ago, 85% of our crowd were hot young chicks 21-28 who wanted to dance. I think the popularity of what we do has declined in that age group and our crowd has aged. So I have a multi-fascited question (even though I can't spell it): does the crowd affect your performance, and/or what you play? Do you cater to your fans? Are you in a similar age group as your fans? Do they know?

Sorry, I'm just rambling now...old guys can turn on young gals- I know this to be a fact! But I think what's maybe most useful is the fact that the kids love older music!


Probably the more useful fact is knowing the music your target audience listened to as teens.

Another cover band coming together (wearing every hat in this one but the drums), and we're focusing on late 80's through late 90's, because, well, the drinking crowd in this neck is 30-somethings, and that's the music they were listening to when they were in their teens (scary....).

The twenty-somethings in this town, well, there aren't any except when college is in session....

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#2275067 - 02/18/11 06:06 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: Griffinator]
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how far is it to a decent sized town with a more active music scene? Just asking...

Jay

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#2275216 - 02/18/11 05:28 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: jay da cop]
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Me? 60 miles to Charlottesville, but they have extremely narrow tastes up there, and highly fickle at that.

100 miles to Richmond - someplace we plan on hitting hard once we get this show rolling, which is why we are not restricting our set choices to just 90's-era music. Quite the contrary, we're basing most of our choices on the one-hit-wonder concept - songs everyone remembers, though they may not remember the band or anything else the band did. That gives us a lot of different options.

For some bizarre reason, North Carolina just LOVES export bands from Virginia, so we definitely plan on tapping that resource as well, playing in Raleigh (might just have to ring up the Gasman to come sit in with us there so I don't look like a complete chode on the keys...), Charlotte, and Greensboro.

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#2275283 - 02/19/11 05:44 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: Griffinator]
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Originally Posted By: Griffinator
Me? 60 miles to Charlottesville, but they have extremely narrow tastes up there, and highly fickle at that.


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#2353269 - 11/01/11 07:09 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: Bottom End]
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My current band has an age range from 27 to 59 (me). We play newer country with a bit of classic rock and finish the night with some 80's rock. It is a strange combo, but it works. Country isn't as age conscious as rock music. When we try to book new places, I ask the young guy to contact them. My usual comment is "I don't want them to think we are a bunch of geezers." Our crowds have everything from 20 somethings to 50's. I have gone from the guy that girls hit on to the guy that girls say "My Mom used to watch you all the time."

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#2427818 - 07/25/12 10:58 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: BEMcCut]
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I'm 43, and I'm the kid in the group. Of course, we're playing acoustic 'unplugged' style music, so it works.
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#2429120 - 07/31/12 12:26 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: Ouizel]
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My experience is that bands or performers of all ages who put music first are the ones that are both happier and more successful. I think this one element is what will, and has in my experience, excluded ageism from being a factor in most all situations.

In all of the bands I've been in over the decades (I'm 54 now, and playing out pro since I was 17) the ones that worked, both musically and gig-wise, were the ones wherein everyone in the band understood that if you play for yourselves first and foremost, thereby providing the highest level of music possible, the audience will not be able to help but appreciate that fact, no matter what age differences there may be.

Other factors may come into play that when combined with ageism may seem to point to that as being the single factor that caused any discrepancies, but my experience has shown me that that is usually not the case. Rather, it was the other factor(s) that caused the issue.

There are exceptions of course as one previous poster pointed out, but I believe, and have experienced, that these are most definitely exceptions rather than the rule.

So, I agree with the poster who said that playing with authority overcomes. Authority combined with chops and sophistication will win 'em over every time.
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#2435731 - 09/02/12 09:22 AM Re: Aging band members [Re: opdigits]
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Our band played our monthly Jam Session last Thursday night. We range from ages 39 to 62. It is held at a local pub with a large stage area and dance floor. There were about 100 folks listening to us. We play 60s-70s rock 'n roll, and the locals apparently love to hear us play each month. I'm 57, and played professionally during the 70s, but got into business in 1980 to feed the family. Now that the kiddos are grown, I can be a kid again!







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#2461645 - 01/09/13 12:32 PM Re: Aging band members [Re: picker]
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The more complex music, the less anyone worries about your age, rather your chops.

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