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Someone I know was emailing me about music being DEAD, really unoriginal and uninspired.

There are ALWAYS people making good music somewhere, maybe not in the Top Ten, but they are out there. But so much of what we run into is REALLY a rehash of something from before - people inspired and emulating their third-generation rock heroes, withou much change or newness.

It seems like there ought to be some serious movement towards uniqueness or weirdness. I was listening to Peter Gabriel's '80s albums (now TWENTY years old!) and they are far closer to the genius and experimental nature of the Beatles hit records of the '60s... They are weird and cool and original - he made his own kind of music.

Talking Heads "Remain in Light" - another one from the era; very original to this day...


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Well... I'm sure that this is all "personal taste" dependent, but, there are a few bands that (IMHO) have originallity with whom I continually look forward to listening to their new material.

Here's a few off the top of my head:

Steve Earle (Twang Trust stuff)

Flaming Lips (post Clouds Taste Metallic)

Wilco (Everything)

Deftones (Everything)

QOSTA (Everything)

Minus The Bear

Chavez (new record pending)

Open Hand

Ken Andrews (well... MOST of his stuff)

Norah Jones

Mogwai (Everything)

and last, but not least...

Radiohead

Beck

I did thoroughly enjoy the new Mute Math and Channels (J. Robbins) records. Also curious to see if Bloc Party can top their debut.

Granted some of these artists have been around for awhile, so, if I completely missed the point of your post, please feel free to disregard this \:\)

Nick

p.s. I keep praying that STP or Sound Garden, will get back together and make more incredible records, but I'm sure that it will be a cold day in hell before that happens....

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Originally posted by BrianK:

There are ALWAYS people making good music somewhere, maybe not in the Top Ten, but they are out there. But so much of what we run into is REALLY a rehash of something from before...

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It seems like there ought to be some serious movement towards uniqueness or weirdness.
My approach is to try and write/record good songs...and I don't much consider if they borrow something from the past or not.

I feel that there ARE quite a lot of attempts at being unique/weird today...but without the good song, it comes off as cheap novelty.

Gabriel, Heads....they actually had good songs to work with.


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Originally Posted By: BrianK
It seems like there ought to be some serious movement towards uniqueness or weirdness.


Why?

We live in a society that, since the 1980s, has shunned the very concepts of "revolution", and "individuality" as would have been understood in the 1960s. As a society we don't WANT to rebel. That's what yuppies were all about, really.

The e-crash of the late 1990s and of course, 9/11, have made people wary of sticking out too much in a crowd. It's a cautious decade, where people worry about their financial and job security.

Look at the way that loud, flashy shirts (for example) have disappeared as we enter the new century. Prints have become "safer", styles flounder in 70s retro. The creative hairstyles so beloved of punks and new wavers have completely disappeared. Retro is king because "retro" reminds us of a safer, more assuring time.

Never mind that during those "safer" times, we were always a few minutes away from nuclear armageddon (and almost got there, a couple of times), people tend to forget that bit! ;\)

Anyway. Moral of the story..? You can't expect a grey, paranoid culture to produce colourful, individual music. Musicians are, after all, part of society. \:\)

Vince.

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I think that comes down to a matter of perspective Vince. I think there are the people who like to stand out... Got your Goths, Emo's, surfer's, sk8rs etc..

I think the problem is the ever increasing commerciality of the music biz, the never ending need to bleed something for every last penny before its discarded and the next thing picked up. Im sure its something that has happened throughout history, but maybe its a little more prevelant today?? Obviously I can only go on my perception, which may not be seeing the entire story.

I dont think its that the general public dont want something new, but if nothing new gets shoved in front of them (i.e. by the record execs and marketing folks), how would they know they want it? People will keep buying what they are told they should buy. Unfortunately, that means more Britney, Mariah, etc etc clones... and in the case of the UK more and more Acoustic acts churning out songs that all sound the same (dont get me wrong I prefer acoustic music, but only when it brings something new to the table). Also, I think that in times past, music with a political message was more widely accepted within the industry, and I think its usually music with a message that tends to stand out in the crowd, because it has to, just to be heard, I think this sort of thing doesnt get touched on by many (if any?) large labels because of the touchy nature of it... i.e. its going to undoubtedly piss somebody off, why would they want to do that? When they can happily get another American Idol to churn out the same ol same ol and make tonns of safe money.

Anyway, im happy to be proved wrong, its just the way I see things from my current perspective.

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Since production and instrument technologies have matured over the past 40 years or so the newness thing seems much harder to come by. Once upon a time Hendrix or Clapton achieved this just by using a marshall a wah pedal a fuzz box or a phaser.
How quaint.

In addition, since so many artists have mined them tiair hills all this time the ability to do someting unique AND STILL HAVE IT BE ACCESSIBLE is really hard to do. I find Radiohead , Wilco and Flaming Lips to be examples of unique stuff that tends to fail the accessibility test. For the most part you cant hum thier tunes very easily. It takes real energy to listen to the stuff.

The mashing together of different genres is one avenue for achieving uniqueness. Hip hop and rock. Reggaae and rap. Pop and porn ;\)

To me, under these circumstances, writing a great song and producing it well - even if its not breaking net new ground sonically or stylistically seems like a worthwhile thing to strive for. There is way too little of that on the airwaves these days. I think that's what the general public will best respond to. OR NOT.


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Originally Posted By: Kendrix

... writing a great song and producing it well - even if its not breaking net new ground sonically or stylistically seems like a worthwhile thing to strive for. There is way too little of that on the airwaves these days. I think that's what the general public will best respond to.


I agree.

My current album project is about trying to write/record "good songs"...without any built-in tricks/gimmicks that focus on getting ear & eye candy to make the songs work.

Yeah...if you have solid songs with memorable and easy-to-hum melodies...and where the "message" is relative to a broad audience of varying ages....
...you might have something worth listening to and remembering.

There is too much well executed flash that becomes quickly disposable.
There are a lot of new artists falling into that "flavor of the month" syndrome....and then they're gone.
And what's worse...their music is also forgotten.


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personally, one of my favorite bands ever. New album out in May, and i'm pumped for it.

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Is there anything more unoriginal than claiming there's no new good original music being made and that things were better x number of years ago?

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lol, good point Geoff. I dont think its not getting made, just not marketed and distributed accordingly.

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Originally Posted By: geoffk
Is there anything more unoriginal than claiming there's no new good original music being made and that things were better x number of years ago?


I don't think that is what is being said here....
...just that some of the new original acts are not showing real originality...if that makes sense.
That's how I read the topic of this thread.

There's good new music today...but I think what is being said is that in the early years of Rock/Pop...there was more experimentation...and a lot of discovery.
Where now it's become more of a "churned out product'.

BUT...it's hard to keep reinventing something once it's been invented...so I think those that WERE in that first wave of 60s/70s Rock as it shifted away from the R&R of the 50s...
...well, they had more opportunities to be inventive, since it was all fresh territory.

Now...it's hard to do something that hasn't already been done...often to death.

So after all the tricks & gimmicks are gone...I think it comes down to good songs performed well...that’s' it.


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I dunno slav, I still think there is experimentation and originality out there. It just rarely gets "churned out". Nobody seems to put any backing behind it. On the very odd occasion something new DOES make it into mainstream, it then does get done to death very very quickly... So its not original for long.

Obviously you are right about it being hard to invent as it were, the only real way you can be inventive nowdays is by moulding more than one genre/style/whatever into one... Because all the standard possiblities have already been exploited to the max. Thats how the inventions come about, not just by making good songs, but taking a whole load of good musical ideas and melting it into a new structure entirely.

http://www.johnbutlertrio.com it may not be your cup-o-tea, but they have taken reggae, funk, celtic, blues, roots... mixed it up and devised something new. Not all 100% original, but the way they have put it all together comes off as something new, which is all you can really do anyway... and thats not a recent problem... Western music has always had the same limitations with the notes going from A-G# so its not going to have been a recent thing causing lack of inventiveness.... How many different ways CAN you arrange the same series of sounds? Well, alot of different ways, but it doesnt take long to exhaust one particular 'way' of doing it... So you have to take those existing ways and mix it up. Which IMO scares record execs, because its not guaranteed money in the bank... I think we need more risky record execs, not more "good solid" music.

Anyway.. now im rambling \:\)

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Originally Posted By: Kendrix
Since production and instrument technologies have matured over the past 40 years or so the newness thing seems much harder to come by. Once upon a time Hendrix or Clapton achieved this just by using a marshall a wah pedal a fuzz box or a phaser.
How quaint.


Well, it's not as if we haven't had our chances.

Look at the synthesizer! We had the possibility of making whatever sound we wanted, from scratch. Play with ADSRs and wave forms. It was so abstract that we could have had whatever type of controller we wanted, Instrad, people thought they were just another keyboard. \:P Look at sampling! suddenly could make minor 7th chords out of foghorns and the sound of teacups shattering! Is that innovative or what? (well, ok... the futurists had already presaged it in the 1900s but it was pretty cool anyway!) Where did it get us?

And instead, so much keyboard r/d is being used into making a better sax sound. Making a better grand piano. Mustn't forget the grand piano. Is that lame or what? Companies spend years and millions of dollars in copying something that exists already and has existed for hundreds of years.

We really are good at wasting technology, aren't we. \:P Summing up... POTENTIALLY we have much better technology out there than Hendrix's marshall amp + wah pedal. We just don't want to use it.

Or perhaps (just to be a Devil's Advocate here) technology is not that important at all. Look at the famous grand piano. Whatever music comes along, people can manage to fit it in somehow. You can play classical, you can play rock and roll, you can play avantgarde free jazz on it.

Perhaps the problem is that "popular" music (and that includes rock) has a high buyer turnover so profundity is not a major requirement. Why, if you wait a generation, you can sell the same songs over and over again and nobody will even notice, much less care.

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Originally Posted By: Trucks.Of.Love
I think that comes down to a matter of perspective Vince. I think there are the people who like to stand out... Got your Goths, Emo's, surfer's, sk8rs etc..


Yeah, but those guys are just individuals in uniform, aren't they? If they didn't all dress the same, how would anybody know they're individuals?

I still think these years will be remembered by how conservative and retro everything got, all of a sudden.

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There was plenty of retro stuff in the 60s (Sha Na Na for example) and stuff getting churned out (1910 Fruitgum Company).

I think Public Enemy did amazing stuff with samplers. The legal folks put the kibosh on a lot of that though...like the guy who made a whole new record with all samples of Michael Jackson.

One difference is you have to seek out new stuff on myspace or where ever now because radio stations will only play stuff that's 40 years old. You wouldn't have had much above ground experimentation in the 60s if all the radio stations had been playing Glenn Miller 24/7.

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Yeah, but those guys are just individuals in uniform, aren't they? If they didn't all dress the same, how would anybody know they're individuals?


hahaha Yeah, but your Hippies, mods, rockers, punks were all in uniform too right? I dont think everythings gotten conservative all of a sudden. Maybe, my friend, you just got a little older, more relaxed, and life seems a bit peachier/duller than it used to \:P \:\) \:\)

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Originally Posted By: geoffk
I think Public Enemy did amazing stuff with samplers. The legal folks put the kibosh on a lot of that though...like the guy who made a whole new record with all samples of Michael Jackson.


Yeah, fair enough. But I was more interested in sampling as a way of producing something completely new from an instrumental point of view. You know, where the samples don't SOUND like samples but where they're taken "as read" and become part of a new music. The closest to that (on radio) were The Art Of Noise, but all they were doing, towards the end, was sampling chunks out of somebody else's music. A bit like B.A.D., I suppose.

Originally Posted By: geoffk
One difference is you have to seek out new stuff on myspace or where ever now because radio stations will only play stuff that's 40 years old.


Fair enough. Even though it goes against the grain, I'm goinf to have to stick up for radio just a little bit and say that you can't blame radio stations for playing to the lowest common denominator. These days, what with the net and all... if you want to hear alternative music, you probably know where to go look for it and are doing so already. You can't really blame radio stations for not trying to chase after you. Well, you CAN, actually... but it all sort of makes sense.



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hahaha Yeah, but your Hippies, mods, rockers, punks were all in uniform too right?


I think the uniforms weren't as enforced. If you look at the hippies in old concert films, there's a lot of diversity in how they dress. Woodstock is surprisingly full of clean cut guys with short hair, for examzple.

And punks. If you had short hair in the late 70s you could pass for a punk. By the early 80s though, you had to have a lot more gear (the jacket, the bondage pants, the docs, the bumflap, the mohawk, maybe some piercings) and I think that killed British punk. (American punk, on the other hand, wasn't as appearance conscious and thrived)

Originally Posted By: Trucks.Of.Love

I dont think everythings gotten conservative all of a sudden. Maybe, my friend, you just got a little older, more relaxed, and life seems a bit peachier/duller than it used to \:P \:\) \:\)


Well, I dunno. Clothes have dulled down, cars are more sedate looking... I really think society's getting straighter. Look at the music those kids make!

(and maybe we've worked our way through the easy paths to rebellion: listen to music, take drugs, drop out, get laid. Easy options all of them. Perhaps we're up against a stone wall that says "the 60s weren't as rebellious as you thought!" \:\) )

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I dunno man, I dont think much has changed as far as "uniforms" go. You still get your clean cut guys hanging out with a buncha new age hippies (I am a clean cut guy that hangs out with some new age hippies LOL).. Whatever a new age hippie is... and so on...

Im not sure about clothes dulling down... or cars for that matter... Ive seen "the italian job" and they didnt look all that "hip" to me... im not even sure that 'real' music is getting duller... I think what IS getting worse is commercialism.. Everybody wants the name brands because thats what everybody else has... Which I think is also whats happening in music.. Everybody wants the new "Insert Mariah Clone Here" album, because everybody wants the new "Insert Mariah Clone Here" album... There seems no logic to it.

TV says buy this, people buy that. TV says this is great people say that is great.

Hang on a minute...... Hell, Ive just convinced myself on YOUR side of the argument! LOL (sorta)

Thats it isnt it... People ARE getting duller, slightly more robotic, they want what they are told to want, they listen to what they are told to listen to... maybe the brain gets numbed enough, by the fear of "terrorist attack" constantly being pumped into them (as was the fear of nuclear armageddon during the past "retro" phase).. People get scared shitless, their creativity gets stumped... Maybe retro is not to remind us of "safer times" maybe this is just how we deal with the fear.

You are right!! (sort of)

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Anyway. Moral of the story..? You can't expect a grey, paranoid culture to produce colourful, individual music. Musicians are, after all, part of society.


Spot on! Although I think there are still some people out there being creative, maybe its not as prevelent as it should/could be.

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What good is originality if it sounds like shit?


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There are two ways to achieve originality...

One is where you go out of your way just to be different...by being more extreme or more shocking...etc...
...than anyone before.
You find the current "standard" of whatever...and then you just twist it up to be different, and that makes it original.

And the other ways is where you are inventing from within...it has nothing to do with what is already out there...it just an unsolicited uniqueness that makes it original.

I would say...when you consider Hendrix...the Beatles...Cream... or Bowie...and later, when the "new wave" and synths really hit it...like the Talking Heads or Roxy Music...there are many more...
...their originality came from unsolicited uniqueness...they were not taking what was, and just turning it around to make it different.
I think it was all very inspired originality.

Today...you can still find that here and there...but most bands seem to exist by consciously reinventing something that already is...or turning it around to make it different.
It's not really unsolicited and inspired originality.

OK...maybe to some...the "inspiration" to take someone else’s music, slice it up and shake it around and then reassemble it into "your" music...seems very original on the surface...but it's more erector-set like to be original in that manner.

I'm not knocking today’s artists...I like a lot of new songs I hear...and I hardly EVER listen to "Classic Rock" stuff anymore...so I'm not stuck in some 30-40 year old rut...
...but the music that came from truly inspired originality...well, that's why its lasted for so long and sounds as good today as the day it was created and it is just as viable against a lot of what’s out there today.

Only time will tell how much of the recent stuff will be remembered in 30-40 years...
...or will it be quickly discarded for whatever is new in 10-20-30-40 years.


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What good is originality if it sounds like shit?


LOL! Im sure there were plenty of people that thought Hendrix sounded like shit too! (and still do) \:\)

Originally Posted By: Miroslav

There are two ways to achieve originality...

One is where you go out of your way just to be different...by being more extreme or more shocking...etc...
...than anyone before.
You find the current "standard" of whatever...and then you just twist it up to be different, and that makes it original.

And the other ways is where you are inventing from within...it has nothing to do with what is already out there...it just an unsolicited uniqueness that makes it original.

I would say...when you consider Hendrix...the Beatles...Cream... or Bowie...and later, when the "new wave" and synths really hit it...like the Talking Heads or Roxy Music...there are many more...
...their originality came from unsolicited uniqueness...they were not taking what was, and just turning it around to make it different.
I think it was all very inspired originality.

Today...you can still find that here and there...but most bands seem to exist by consciously reinventing something that already is...or turning it around to make it different.
It's not really unsolicited and inspired originality.

OK...maybe to some...the "inspiration" to take someone else’s music, slice it up and shake it around and then reassemble it into "your" music...seems very original on the surface...but it's more erector-set like to be original in that manner.

I'm not knocking today’s artists...I like a lot of new songs I hear...and I hardly EVER listen to "Classic Rock" stuff anymore...so I'm not stuck in some 30-40 year old rut...
...but the music that came from truly inspired originality...well, that's why its lasted for so long and sounds as good today as the day it was created and it is just as viable against a lot of what’s out there today.

Only time will tell how much of the recent stuff will be remembered in 30-40 years...
...or will it be quickly discarded for whatever is new in 10-20-30-40 years.


I take your point. But what is there left to do? Well... I guess if we had the answer to that, we wouldnt be having this discussion \:\)

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I say...forget trying to be different and trying to "invent" something new...
...and just focus of writing/recording....good music...good songs.

While there are lot of bands that can play well…and record well..
...I don't hear as many really good songs these days.
It may be technically very proficient, well recorded...and even quite pleasant to listen to, for the moment....
...but it's quickly discarded and very forgettable.
And THAT I feel is directly related to the quality of the actual songs...before anyone plays or records them.

Writing good songs is a craft...it doesn't just happen.
I think a lot of what you hear these days is "stuff"...that people just toss out.
Stuff that at one time wouldn't have been considered anything more than a "demo".
And the artists would have been instructed to develop it some more before it was worthy of public releases.
Now...there way too much “stuff” that is released as-it-falls...there's not as much development and craft.
Not for all...there are good things too....but for the majority, yes.

And hey...this is the "project studio" generation.
EVERYBODY has a "studio" and "stuff" to record and perform.


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Good point!

But it did just occur to me, that all Jimi was really doing, was taking Blues, Jazz, RockNRoll, Copious amounts of mind altering drugs... Mixing em up... and coming up with something "new"... Cream where just taking the Blues... Electrifying it, making it pallettable for the Rock'N'Roll generation (making it so you could jive away to it). As for Bowie, yeah I think he was pretty out there, but the music (the melodies etc) itself very much stands alongside 'mainstream' musical trend... With some added mental instability, he got something "new". Well ya already know what I think o the Beatles \:\) But really when they started out it was nothing more than poppy bluesy rockNroll, then they started to get far out there, but was it really anything that could be classed as 'new'?? Im not sure??

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They made "memorable" music...timeless songs.

There's a recipe somewhere in there...but it's more than just a list of ingredients.


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I think we should agree to agree \:\) I think we are coming to the same conclusion, but from different angles.

The way I see it at the moment, is there will never be (and hasnt been for a long long time) something REALLY 100% original. So yeah, dont go out trying to re-invent the wheel, take what you like and make it your own, if you have the inspiration and talent, it may come off as something new *whatever*.. But thats not what we should strive for. As you say, we should strive to make good memorable songs, dont worry about whether X might think you sound like Y.. Just do your thing, it'll either work and last, or it wont.

The only thing most people out there are lacking today, is inpsiration..... and... erm... well.. talent for the most part. But I think it may have always been that way (maybe not to such an extent), we can reel off names of artists we found memorable from the past... Because exactly that... We can remember them, they stick in our mind.. Maybe some folks out in musicland will be remembered in 20years.. Maybe they wont... Only time'll tell on that one.

Maybe we dont get to see all the artists who could be memorable, because of the ever growing list of crap that gets put out there. There has to be some folks out there making something inspired (although maybe not original, in the strictest sense). We have a generation of un-inspired youths, so no matter what, for the majority, if they go out and make good solid songs that are un-inspired then they still wont last.

Just keep yer peepers open for the odd one that does poke his inspired ass out of the net.

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It may be that there are too many who focus on inventing their "style"..."...their “sound”…their "look…etc...
...and then the songs kinda' come into it after all that.

I think if you focus on crafting good songs...
...after awhile, the style, sound and look will emerge out of that.

When you try to be like something/someone else...you're always trying to find a way to make things fit.
Letting that go and just focusing on the songs...the fit happens naturally.


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Think you might be right... I know I have spent way too much time on trying to develop something unique... Which has never really turned out unique OR productive. I also used to carry the assumption that everything I come up with was worth crafting into a song, didnt take me long to realise that was a load of bollocks.

So yeah, just focusing on getting some stuff together that you would like to listen too (i.e. what you would class as a good song), I think is the first step writers should probably take. Then yeah, in theory after a few (hundred in some cases I guess) songs things should start fitting into place.

Im glad I chose to stick my oar in on this thread actually, its given me a different perspective... and im feelin a little more creative because of it

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No different than trying to sound/emulate a particular guitarist or style of playing...
...instead of just playing, and letting your own style emerge.


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Originally Posted By: miroslav


No different than trying to sound/emulate a particular guitarist or style of playing...
...instead of just playing, and letting your own style emerge.


\:o What??!?! People dont do that do they?!?!?!?!?!?!


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There is a quote from Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull saying "In our early days (late 60s) people did anything they could to be DIFFERENT from other bands."

Instead of trying to be LIKE them. I appreciate that idea as a focus - maybe you are not totally original - who is - but what can you do to add something different.

... and YES, be different after you have good songs and ideas!

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I think it's important that these artists (THeads, Hendrix, Peter Gabriel, NIN etc) DID look at their music stylistically. They DID say - "what can I do here", and in the case of the Heads and Gabriel - consiously used music styles NOT associated with their form of music to create somehing new. It was not accepted, and they even had to modify it to make it work - thereby creating something original and new (ala Hendrix/Cream electric blues - a further example of Buddy Guy/BBKing electric blues). They were influenced by an outside thing, and they modified it to make it their own "original" meld of things.

I strive to make better records, and "better" involves all parts - arrangement, sonics, songwriting, performances, etc. Originality is one too - I think being more original is a CHANCE to get heard, versus being unoriginal and more "like the world out there" - many people see that as their path to get heard.

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