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#1646551 - 07/21/05 05:29 PM Music Player Forums
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Dear Music Player Forum Users,

There has been a lot of talk on the Music Player Forums lately about recent changes, namely the archiving of Craig Anderton’s Sound, Studio and Stage (SSS) forum and the exodus of Craig Anderton, Gus Lozada, Phil O’Keefe, Dave Bryce and Lee Flier as forum moderators. The Music Player Network sincerely appreciates all that Craig, Gus, Phil, Dave and Lee have done for the forums, and I and the company wish them the best in their new endeavors.

As you may know, the Music Player Network recently relaunched its Web sites. As these magazine-focused sites begin to mature, we are expanding our focus to the forums in order to better integrate them with Guitar Player, Bass Player, EQ, and Keyboard magazines.

I am extremely happy with and confident in the vibrancy of the Music Player Forums. I and everyone else at MPN value the community’s friendly and professional demeanor, and we’re thrilled that the forums have evolved into a top-notch informative resource. While I’m sorry to see Craig, Dave, Phil, Gus and Lee go, I also see this as an opportunity to reinvigorate the forums.

We’ll be launching a new EQ forum for the pro-audio community that continues the mature and unbiased tips and tech-talk that exemplified the SSS forum. Ace Keyboard contributor Steve Fortner will take over as the main man at Keyboard Corner for Dave Bryce (who will stay on in a limited capacity as a “Moderator Emeritus”).

Furthermore, in order to clarify the forums’ special relationship to the Music Player Network publications, we plan on renaming some of them to match the title of their related magazine. Each magazine’s editorial staff will become a more consistent online presence, hosting live Q&A sessions and taking a more actively participatory role in discussions. The magazine editors are assuming this participation as a part of their duties here at the magazines, and will also host threads specifically related to magazine content, allowing the community to chime in on the latest product reviews, lessons and artist features. The thread archive will remain, and current members will not have to re-register to take advantage of these exciting new features.

I welcome feedback from the community on these pending changes, and everyone at MPN is very excited to continue supporting and fostering this fantastic and productive musical community.

Sincerely,
Max Sidman
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#1646552 - 07/21/05 11:08 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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#1646553 - 07/22/05 03:45 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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#1646554 - 07/22/05 03:14 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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#1646555 - 07/22/05 03:33 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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#1646556 - 07/22/05 04:11 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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#1646557 - 07/22/05 04:15 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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#1646558 - 07/22/05 04:18 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Sounds great!

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#1646559 - 07/22/05 04:19 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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#1646560 - 07/22/05 04:36 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Dear Max,

Great news and thanks for the update.

Will any forums be deleted at all if they don't match one of the magazines?
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#1646561 - 07/22/05 05:19 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Hi Nursers,

We have no plans to delete any of the forums.

The SSS and SSS Political Party, and the Nuestro Foro will both be archived and accessible for reference but closed to new posts.

For The Band and Phil O'Keefe's The Project Studio will be archived, then renamed and continued along the same paths with new moderators.

We plan on renaming a couple of the other forums to fall into line with the magazines, (Guitar Forum will become the Guitar Player Forum and the Keyboard Corner will become the Keyboard Magazine Forum, etc.) but other than that, we have no plans to delete or otherwise interrupt any of the forums.

Thanks to all for the positive feedback so far. And please let me know if you have any more questions.

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#1646562 - 07/22/05 05:28 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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#1646563 - 07/22/05 05:41 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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The Announcement cross-link was also posted in the Surround Forum. Is that going to stay intact? Surround forums are still few-and far-between.
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#1646564 - 07/22/05 06:04 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Hi AudioMaverick,

Yup, the Surround forum will still be here.

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#1646565 - 07/22/05 06:05 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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I will remove the Announcement cross-links next week.

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#1646566 - 07/22/05 06:12 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Thanks for the info, guys. Looking forward to the new-old forums! ;\)

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#1646567 - 07/22/05 06:23 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Thank you Max and thank you Jim!!!

The archives will be greatly appreciated and certainly revisited by many of us from time to time. I know that I, for one, will be revisiting posts relative to Sonar 4 as well as many other quality posts about recording technique.

I do hope that ALL forums are preserved for review. There were some great things that happened over in Nursers forum, The Collaboration Corner. The Tsunami Relief project and the Internotes project are both notable projects where many members contributed. The Songwriters on Songwriting also has some very informative discussions that have transpired over time. Though I mainly made my home here on the SSS forum, all of the forums have merit in keeping the archives.

Thanks to CMP for all of these years that you have hosted these forums and provided the users here a virtual community to share our knowledge, thoughts, dilemmas, and etc. The acts of benevolence will not soon be forgotten by those of us who understand the generousity that the CMP and those individuals who have voluntarily served as mentors, moderators, and administrators.
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#1646568 - 07/22/05 06:30 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Since the magazines offer zero coverage of world instruments (sitar & tabla, for example) I guess there'll be no Forums devoted to them?
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#1646569 - 07/22/05 06:31 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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#1646570 - 07/22/05 07:13 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Quote:
Originally posted by Max Sidman:
Hi Nursers,

We have no plans to delete any of the forums.

The SSS and SSS Political Party, and the Nuestro Foro will both be archived and accessible for reference but closed to new posts.

For The Band and Phil O'Keefe's The Project Studio will be archived, then renamed and continued along the same paths with new moderators.

We plan on renaming a couple of the other forums to fall into line with the magazines, (Guitar Forum will become the Guitar Player Forum and the Keyboard Corner will become the Keyboard Magazine Forum, etc.) but other than that, we have no plans to delete or otherwise interrupt any of the forums.

Thanks to all for the positive feedback so far. And please let me know if you have any more questions.

.M
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#1646571 - 07/22/05 08:32 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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[Edit]: I would like to change the opening sentence from: Question: why all of the congratulations? to: [/edit]

It is always great to see people part ways as friends--this is the way to do it.

Kudos to all of the excellent volunteer moderators who did a wonderful job moderating this sometimes lively community.

Thank you!

That said -- Open question directed to the publisher/editors:
You have effectively driven away many, many good (and with disposable income might I add) people who invest (and I quote "invest") their time, energy, and passion into this crazy thing we all love: music.

The vibe is gone. I wish you the best of luck regaining it.

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#1646572 - 07/22/05 10:15 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Hi Force!

To answer your question:
Because it is FAIR PLAY.

Changes always happen and both sides are wishing the best to each other.

I am very thankful to MP.com for having me as a "mod" during the last 4 years -do you ever realize how that helps on a resume?- and because even when "Nuestro Foro" did not really supported any magazine and did not make any difference sales or subscriptions-wise, they allowed us to live into their server. And that counts a lot for my community.

Time has come for a change and I'm moving together with my friends to a new place, but that does not mean I'm not thankful and loyal to the company's ideals I originally had when I became a moderator.

Additionally, it is good to see that even after the changes, the most of the forums will remain open. Say, Bass, Guitar, David Frangioni's and Ethan's for EQ and the Keyboard Corner will still be working and going and personally, I will fully support them when they decide to create a new hispanic forum or whatever they need my help for.

... and after all, it is great to see a company willing to adapt to changes and keep improving something already good. There are not a lot of good magazines out there and having MP.com willing to support their great mags in a better way with their new vision of the forums, worths our best wishes.

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#1646573 - 07/22/05 10:37 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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I'm hoping that some improvements that were discussed a while back may still be possible?

I'm thinking of things like additional, auxilary reply form windows (or whatever you want to call them) that would enable easy posting of tablature, chord charts, AND standard-notation for music reference and lesson material by forum members? THAT would be incredibly useful and beneficial!

Please review the discourse between "Canned Bananas" and some of us Forummites in the recent past...
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#1646574 - 07/23/05 12:06 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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Quote:
Originally posted by Gus Lozada:
Hi Force!

To answer your question:
Because it is FAIR PLAY.

Changes always happen and both sides are wishing the best to each other.

I am very thankful to MP.com for having me as a "mod" during the last 4 years -do you ever realize how that helps on a resume?- and because even when "Nuestro Foro" did not really supported any magazine and did not make any difference sales or subscriptions-wise, they allowed us to live into their server. And that counts a lot for my community.

Time has come for a change and I'm moving together with my friends to a new place, but that does not mean I'm not thankful and loyal to the company's ideals I originally had when I became a moderator.

Additionally, it is good to see that even after the changes, the most of the forums will remain open. Say, Bass, Guitar, David Frangioni's and Ethan's for EQ and the Keyboard Corner will still be working and going and personally, I will fully support them when they decide to create a new hispanic forum or whatever they need my help for.

... and after all, it is great to see a company willing to adapt to changes and keep improving something already good. There are not a lot of good magazines out there and having MP.com willing to support their great mags in a better way with their new vision of the forums, worths our best wishes.

Gus
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#1646575 - 07/23/05 07:08 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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Gus and Nursers.

Yes, saying goodbye is a fine gesture, no question about that.

After rereading my initial post I see where perhaps it should have been phrased a bit differently (at least the opening sentence).

Apologies for this.

[edit] I changed it. [/edit]

My point dealt more with the "why for goodbyes.."

Not to take anything away from the volunteer moderators--you all did a GREAT job.


I am openly question the change.

Perhaps the publisher thinks this change is a positive one.

However, if you look at it from the customer perspective (my perspective) you see it a bit differently.

Too bad the hosting site didn't value your (and our) contributions, and couldn't figure out the value of profiting off of the huge intellectual property here.

I sure profited from it.

TIp to the publisher/editors: there are several excellent Harvard Business Review articles and also several good books understanding/defining/maintaining an internet-supported community.

Harvard's Peter Weil's name comes to mind.

Peace and love.

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#1646576 - 07/23/05 09:52 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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first, Thanks Max for the information on where this forum is headed and the respectful goodbye's to those moderators moving to a new location. CMP has allowed these forums to exist as their own world, and I entirely understand the decision to focus the MP online community back to your products.

I have to disagree with you Forceman.

There are definitely benefits to hosting a vibrant cross section of the industry here at CMP. But as I stated in another thread, I've noticed the virtual lack of MP magazine content-driven posts as a percentage of the whole, even in forums that will remain after this shake-up.

CMP has chosen to focus their resources. More power to them. I will still be an active member of the Guitar Player Forum (ne Guitar Forum) after the split.

For one thing, after checking out the HC Guitar Forums, I still feel more comfortable in our own neck of the woods. I sincerely hope other MP Guitar Forum members will continue to frequent the Guitar Player Forum.

Though I am not a subscriber, perhaps I'll come back to GP if the content driven threads and interaction with the contributors to the magazine show me content I'm interested in reading in a tangible form.

Gibson doesn't have a large, general music forum. They have forums dedicated to Gibson products. Digidesign doesn't have forums dealing with all DAW software and hardware. They focus on Digi compatable equipment. This is the nature of companies.

CMP is no different. They are a company with several products. Their resources should support the users of those products. I wouldn't go so far as to say they would do well to charge fees to non-subscribers for access to most (if not all) web content related to the magazines, but focusing these forums on that content, IMO, is necessary, no matter the bumps in the road during this transition.

This quote, IMO, is not only uncalled for, it's dead wrong.

Quote:
Originally posted by forceman:
You have effectively driven away many, many good (and with disposable income might I add) people who invest (and I quote "invest") their time, energy, and passion into this crazy thing we all love: music.


I haven't heard of anyone "driven away" by this change. Yes, some will go. Some will stay. But this change doesn't require any members to declare an allegiance to CMP or HC. To cop a phrase from a Southwest Airlines commercial, "You are now free to move about the (internet)."

The bottom line is CMP made a decision to focus their resources. Craig and several moderators who, for well documented reasons, are grateful and loyal to Craig for supporting their own ascention to moderators, decided to leave for a place where the SSS and the other mods could continue to thrive. Both parties are fine with the arrangement. They have mutual respect for each other and the work that has been accomplished here until now.

Why is it even your (our) business?
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#1646577 - 07/23/05 10:56 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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I have stated my opinion.
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#1646578 - 07/23/05 11:47 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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#1646579 - 07/24/05 01:54 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Quote:
Originally posted by forceman:
I have stated my opinion.
Not that I can see. I guess it's been edited out.

I've been away for a couple weeks. What's up with the exodus?
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#1646580 - 07/25/05 01:40 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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I would like to add that many of the changes being made to the MP forums are things that I've suggested over the years, particularly editorial presence, threads devoted to articles, magazine feedback polls, etc. So not surprisingly, they get a "thumbs up" from me. I'm happy to see these changes because they are a good direction for these forums.

CMP is at its core a publishing company. The forums were a leftover from MP.com, the "dot com" days attempt to create a "pure play" web effort. Unfortunately, they were never properly integrated with the magazines with a few exceptions (e.g., Roger Nichols' forum). In fact, during the early days of MP.com, there were people who wanted the site to compete with the magazines, and I was absolutely dead set against that -- I even wanted to do interviews with the editors on the site (which was voted down, but I still think it was a good idea).

So the forums sort of drifted through cyberspace, like a space probe that keeps sending back information long after it was supposed to go away. To their credit, Canned Bananas and CMP kept the forums going because they realized they were a sleeping giant. Now they've decided to wake the giant up, which is a good thing.

Meanwhile, I have dreams for SSS that simply cannot be done under the aegis of CMP. I believe they can be done under the aegis of HC, and I'm eager to stretch the definitions of what an online community can do. Let me emphasize no one at CMP asked me to leave. I asked to leave. I'm just itching to take SSS further and sometimes changes, though difficult, are necessary. I'm not getting any younger, and it's time to make my dreams come true.

I expect to continue contributing to the EQ and Keyboard forums for as long as I write for these magazines if not beyond, and no one's told me to stop writing, so...draw your own conclusions!
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#1646581 - 07/25/05 07:45 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Quote:
Originally posted by Max Sidman:
Hi Nursers,

We have no plans to delete any of the forums.

The SSS and SSS Political Party, and the Nuestro Foro will both be archived and accessible for reference but closed to new posts.


.M
I know I'm asking too much, but it'll be nice to have an spanish forum...But who am I? \:D

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#1646582 - 07/26/05 01:37 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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I totally agree with Vilo...

Spanish speaking population is HUGE, and certainly deserves a dedicated forum... And in many ways I also agree with Forceman!
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#1646583 - 07/26/05 08:39 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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I think our forums are a tremendous resource for players and I will support any efforts toward making it even more compatible with diverse groups... I enjoy GP as a long time subscriber and now forum member..I will continue to be a part of this community. Many thanks to the moderators for a job very well done!!!
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#1646584 - 07/26/05 01:31 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the feedback, both the positive and the constructively critical. It all goes to the continual improvements of this community.

As far as adding new forums -- coyote suggested world instruments and Vilo has suggested a new Spanish-speaking forum -- we're open to new ideas and the resurrection of old ones, we just need to confirm the need for such forums and find moderators. Any volunteers?

At any rate, everyone's ideas and opinions are noted and we're totally open for further discussion.

Thanks again.

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#1646585 - 07/26/05 04:42 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Maybe it's already being worked on...

But can you rearrange the existing forums into a more logical or “flowing” order?
At the moment...they all seem kinda' scattered about.

I don't want to go out on a limb and suggest which forums should be up top and which should be toward the bottom...
...but you might consider putting the most active forums up top...or maybe the newest ones...or maybe...????... \:\)
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#1646586 - 07/26/05 04:58 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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As far as new/other forums...well, I would only have as many as were required to host truly distinct and somewhat focused treads/topics/

I really hate those forum web sites that have dozens and dozens of forums that “step all over each other” and often cover the same things…ad nauseam.
Having the right amount of specialized forums will help keep things On-Topic and provide a truly unique experience as you move from forum to forum.
Also…it will help concentrate the members into several regularly active forums…rather than having dozens of forums, some with only the occasional post when someone drifts in…never to return.

Here's a new forum suggestion…

There was a time when “sign” (a.k.a. Han) and I suggested a possible Analog Forum…but it kinda’ fell by the wayside. Even though DAW/ITB is the norm…we all run into analog every day…and some of us still use it on a regular basis…be it analog tape…or analog gear in general.

I’m sure if no one else was interested…we wouldn’t mind “watching the Analog store” (though I haven’t talked to Han about it in quite awhile).

Han…you out there, guy?
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#1646587 - 07/26/05 06:25 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Quote:
Originally posted by miroslav:
Maybe it's already being worked on...

But can you rearrange the existing forums into a more logical or “flowing” order?
At the moment...they all seem kinda' scattered about.

I don't want to go out on a limb and suggest which forums should be up top and which should be toward the bottom...
...but you might consider putting the most active forums up top...or maybe the newest ones...or maybe...????... \:\)
I think the forum order is pretty good in that the headers that introduce each set of forums flow well. The most popular fora will always get lots of posts. Since my forum has been at the top there's already been an increase in posts, which is a good thing for the forum and collaboration amongst forumites in general ;\)
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#1646588 - 07/26/05 07:32 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Quote:
Originally posted by Max Sidman:
Hi Guys,

and Vilo has suggested a new Spanish-speaking forum -- we're open to new ideas and the resurrection of old ones, we just need to confirm the need for such forums and find moderators. Any volunteers?

We need an spanish magazine, I know lots hispanic musicians tha want one.
;\)
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#1646589 - 07/26/05 07:49 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Originally posted by David Holloway:
I think the forum order is pretty good in that the headers that introduce each set of forums flow well.
I'm sure every forum would like to be on top, or towards the top...
...but what I'm getting it is that there are a few "core" MP forums...and then a bunch of "side" forums.

Without trying to lessen the importance of any "side" forums...I would think that the "core" MP forums should be at the top. The forums that are the basic identifying feature of MP…the forums that don’t exist anywhere else, just by the nature of their title/category.

As an example…something like “EQ Magazine Forum”…would only be found here at MP…and that, to me, would be a “core” forum. Whereas something like the “Tech Forum”…well, that’s more if a “side” forum that can be found on many other audio websites.

Now...which ones are the "core" forums and which are the "side" forums....???
Well...I'll let MP decide that...unless you guys wanna' put it to some membership vote. ;\)

Also…I’m a bit puzzled whey we have a “Biz” forum and also “The Studio Business Forum”…? Are they meant to be really different in any significant way…? If there is any difference in what they cover…it’s a rather thin line…but, I’m not looking to rain on anyone’s parade…just tossin’ out some suggestions as requested.

Same thing goes for that “Tech” forum I mentioned and the “David Frangioni: Studio Tech”….like, what’s the real difference…and, I have to ask…
... has anyone actually seen David on his forum in like…ages…???

Again…just trying to be constructive…because I really DO want to see the MP forums carry on…and there is a chance, that these forums could truly become On-Topic audio/music forums…something many others have lost, because they always succumb to the onslaught of Off-Topic threads.
At some audio websites...when an audio/music forum is getting 3-1 political threads/posts VS. relative topics…
...something’s wrong. \:\(
But who knows…maybe on the real political websites…their talkin’ audio…??? ;\)
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#1646590 - 07/27/05 10:12 AM Re: Music Player Forums
Brittanylips Offline
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Originally posted by Anderton:
To their credit, Canned Bananas and CMP kept the forums going because they realized they were a sleeping giant. Now they've decided to wake the giant up, which is a good thing.
I agree with Forceman. I think CMP has made a mistake by letting the SSS and its band of merry moderators go. I don’t think CMP is waking up a sleeping giant, I think they lost their sleeping giant.

Strictly from a business point of view:

First, the SSS represents a pool of participants that CMP could have harvested for other forums and leveraged into other purposes. The SSS represents a userbase that’s now gone.

Second, CMP underestimates the power of informal marketing. A forum not explicitly tied in with their magazines, but generating exposure and interest among a larger population, is a much more effective way to grow their market than with a niche forum of self-identified magazine readers. It is precisely because SSS did not hit users over the head with the magazines, but regularly and informally generated tie-ins, that it provided leverage for growing their market.

Third, the caliber of participants in online audio forums rivals the caliber of audio magazine editors. In fact, one often becomes the other. Therefore, given the excellent caliber of audio forums, resources, and access to audio experts around the net, I don’t think a forum billing itself as an opportunity to communicate with an editor about a product the editor has fiddled with for a month is compelling. What is compelling is a community that congregates around the editor, but does not generally share information hierarchically, i.e. SSS.

Incidentally, I think that’s the secret of Craig’s online success. He's there to chill like everyone else, and the forum works because it’s a study hall, not a class.

Thus, if I were the CEO of CMP, I would have given the sleeping giant whatever it wanted to keep it on my particular hill, which wouldn't stop me from developing complementary forums that more explicitly integrate with core publishing.

However, since I'm not the CEO of CMP, but a mere drop of water in the ocean of cyberspace, I don't have to worry about that. I can happilly follow Craig to the deeper waters of the HC, where I'm sure he'll develop the SSS in ways that make a good thing even better. And I can continue to mix my metaphors to my heart's content over there.

I don’t think I’ll stick around here, but I wish you all the luck.

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#1646591 - 07/27/05 11:22 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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I don't think there is anything positive to be gained in delving further into the reasons why all those moderators left...or what shoulda'/coulda' been done to keep them here.

Sure...SSS was the "big gorilla in the MP cage"...but it wasn't the only gorilla.
And it's always interesting to see how dynamics change within a group when one or two members leave or join a group.

What some folks and I see here now...is a golden opportunity to mellow out, and better focus, these MP forums.
While I enjoy the occasional OT threads...my main reason for joining the MP forums over 5 years ago was for their audio/music focus.
If you weed out the HUGE amount of OT stuff that was/is flying on SSS...you will find that it really isn't as large a gorilla as it first appears.
Not to mention all the other OT forums and threads that now exist over on HC.

Hey...some people like posting on 10 Off-Topic threads for every 1 on-topic audio/music thread...and then there are sooooo many members that rarely posted anything audio/music related.
I guess for some folks...THAT is the main draw of forums...and I'm sure they can find that at HC, or at other forum web sites…where that is the norm.

But I certainly hope the new MP forums don't stray off in that direction again.
I would prefer them to stay on-topic most of the time.
It might seem a bit quieter/mellower going that route, rather than having a wide-open, “happy-hour” mood happening all the time…but in the long run...I think it will draw in more people who are serious and focused…
…on audio/music.

Heck…if I want to discuss world peace…or cancer cures…or NASCAR racing…etc…
…why do that on audio/music forums…?
I’m sure there WILL still be the occasional OT thread…
…but there’s no need for that to be a staple of audio/music forums…IMO.

Enjoy your time at HC!
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#1646592 - 07/28/05 03:25 AM Re: Music Player Forums
Gato Offline
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Registered: 04/21/02
Posts: 4717
Loc: COSTA RICA, Beauty of Nature.
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Originally posted by Gus Lozada:
I am very thankful to MP.com for having me as a "mod" during the last 4 years -do you ever realize how that helps on a resume?- and because even when "Nuestro Foro" did not really supported any magazine and did not make any difference sales or subscriptions-wise, they allowed us to live into their server. And that counts a lot for my community.
Well, I'd been a Guitar Player Mag buyer since 1993 and when I came here first time I was very happy to find the spanish forum with Gus and pals.

In the 90's we saw some Guitar Player magazines in spanish but that effort has gone. Now its time to keep at least a spanish forum here even I don´t belive closing Nuestro Foro and leaving Gus and us to Harmoy Central was the best idea.

Saddly I don´t feel the same here if I can not find my old pals in the "new spanish forum" (anyway I don´t have to much free time neither) so I will stay mostly in the "Original Nuestro Foro" in Harmony Central.

Thanks Music Player for your support, I'll keep buying Guitar Player 'cause is the the best guitar mag even you didn´t undertand that Nuestro Foro was very important for your consumers in Latinamerica.

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#1646593 - 07/28/05 06:36 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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Originally posted by Gato:
...even I don´t belive closing Nuestro Foro and leaving Gus and us to Harmoy Central was the best idea.
Folks...NO ONE...closed down these forums, forcing the moderators to leave for HC.

It's the other way around...

Craig decided to leave...and one by one some moderators decided to follow him.
Once that happened, it became academic, that some forums would have to be shut down, or reassigned.

I'm sure a Spanish forum will once again be possible...MP just needs to find the right moderator.

All you Spanish audio/music people...any volunteers?
I think Max Sidman has already asked...so step up to the plate. \:\)
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#1646594 - 07/28/05 08:31 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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One last suggestion --

You may need to increase miroslav's medication just a tad.....

\:\)

-Peace, Love, and Brittanylips

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#1646595 - 07/28/05 10:31 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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I'm already fully medicated.
Otherwise...I would have a difficult time responding to certain posts with as much restraint and courtesy as I am doing right now. ;\)

By the way...what kind of medication are you folks talking to help you "blend in" with that schizophrenic bunch on HC? \:\)
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#1646596 - 07/28/05 11:35 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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Registered: 02/25/05
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Ah yes, I did ask for volunteers to moderate a new Spanish-speaking fourm...and I'll gladly ask again:

Are there any MP forum users out there who are interested in running a Spanish-speaking forum? Please let me know via P.M./ e-mail and we'll get the ball rolling.

Like I said before, we're open to ideas, as long as we see a genuine interest and can find a trustworthy moderator.



.M
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#1646597 - 07/28/05 08:33 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Registered: 09/16/03
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How about an 'open mic' forum for OTs, similar to the ole SSS. Perhaps the mighty Tedster as mod?


And a big for the new mods at MP. I have a great deal of respect and admiration for these fine folks.

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#1646598 - 07/28/05 10:35 PM Re: Music Player Forums
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Registered: 03/17/04
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Loc: Bismarck, ND
Gees, I go away for a week and barely recognize the place when I come back. Well, the Guitar forum was the main reason I was here and thus the Guitar Players Forum shall be it.

I'll bbach
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#1646599 - 07/29/05 07:52 AM Re: Music Player Forums
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Registered: 04/21/02
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Loc: COSTA RICA, Beauty of Nature.
Quote:
Originally posted by Max Sidman:
Ah yes, I did ask for volunteers to moderate a new Spanish-speaking fourm...and I'll gladly ask again:

Are there any MP forum users out there who are interested in running a Spanish-speaking forum? Please let me know via P.M./ e-mail and we'll get the ball rolling.

Like I said before, we're open to ideas, as long as we see a genuine interest and can find a trustworthy moderator.



.M
It will be very hard to find a replacement for Gus as a moderator.

What you don't know (I guess) is that Gus is always traveling to Latinamerica and Europe, so all the forum members has had the oportunity to meet this dude in person.

He came here to Costa Rica and we had a great time playing live. He's doing the same in most countries.

Well, I wish you luck.

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#1646600 - 07/29/05 09:22 PM Re: Music Player Forums
ViLo Offline
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Registered: 04/24/01
Posts: 8773
Loc: Dallas, TX. Estado De Mexico!
Quote:
Originally posted by Gato:
Quote:
Originally posted by Max Sidman:
Ah yes, I did ask for volunteers to moderate a new Spanish-speaking fourm...and I'll gladly ask again:

Are there any MP forum users out there who are interested in running a Spanish-speaking forum? Please let me know via P.M./ e-mail and we'll get the ball rolling.

Like I said before, we're open to ideas, as long as we see a genuine interest and can find a trustworthy moderator.



.M
It will be very hard to find a replacement for Gus as a moderator.

What you don't know (I guess) is that Gus is always traveling to Latinamerica and Europe, so all the forum members has had the oportunity to meet this dude in person.

He came here to Costa Rica and we had a great time playing live. He's doing the same in most countries.

Well, I wish you luck.
They are not trying to find a replacement for Gus, like you said, it'll be difficult, but they are trying to start a new spanish forum.
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