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#2070417 - 05/02/09 05:16 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: RocketRick]
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Originally Posted By: Blueraven
Myles;

Whelp I got these tubes. Not sure how I know if one is better then another tho.

2-RCA 3-Mica Black plate 5751/ECC83

2-Matched RCA 5751 tubes (lo mu 12AX7 ECC83)

2- Matched Pair premium plate 12AX7

2 NOS Mullard 12AT7WA CV4024(12AT7 ECC81)

Most gave some readings for the tubes but not sure what that means. I think the numbers mean the plate voltage but some of the numbers are large and some are small..Must be in millampearage or millvoltages and some must give the whole number..

Kinda confusing..I'm assuming the higher the numbers the better the tube?

Also, depending on the amp, I'm assuming I want to check the tubes and see if they are within the operating range for each particular amp..

Can you clarify the meaning of the numbers they provide using there test equipment?

thanks


Post the numbers with each tube type.

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#2070426 - 05/02/09 05:45 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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OK..here ya go Myles-

I guess I need to read a primer on tube testing..

2-Marched Premium 12ax7:
Fully tested on a calibrated TV-7 conductance tester at 43/47 and 47/49 where 32 is good. Originally sold and labeled for the Sanborn Company.
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2-Matched RCA 5751 tubes (lo mu 12AX7 ECC83):
black ridge plates, 2 mica spacers, extra support rods between mica spacers and halo ring getters at the tops.

Tubes appear identical in construction!

Hickok TV-7B checked @ 42/41 39/44
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2-RCA 3-Mica Black plate 5751/ECC83

Test at 118/130, 120/130, on a EICO 667 Ttube tester.min:60
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2 NOS Mullard 12AT7WA CV4024(12AT7 ECC81):

These are the low noise CV4024 m8162 British Military version of the 12AT7, manufactured by Mullard in Mitchum, Great Britain, not the inferior Mullard re-issue tubes currently available!
Coded '654 R4D3' (Mullard Mitchum, 1984)
Pairs selected by factoring in both IP and Gm.
Gm tested at 3600/4500, 3900/4900. Min 2500, average new 3850 mho.
IP (plate current) 3.8/6.6, 4.1/6.4. Average new 3.7 ma.
Fully Tested on a Hickok 539C tester and guaranteed.


Edited by Blueraven (05/02/09 05:47 PM)
Edit Reason: Added comment
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#2070433 - 05/02/09 06:28 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: RocketRick]
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Originally Posted By: Blueraven
OK..here ya go Myles-

I guess I need to read a primer on tube testing..

2-Marched Premium 12ax7:
Fully tested on a calibrated TV-7 conductance tester at 43/47 and 47/49 where 32 is good. Originally sold and labeled for the Sanborn Company.
=======================
2-Matched RCA 5751 tubes (lo mu 12AX7 ECC83):
black ridge plates, 2 mica spacers, extra support rods between mica spacers and halo ring getters at the tops.

Tubes appear identical in construction!

Hickok TV-7B checked @ 42/41 39/44
====================================================
2-RCA 3-Mica Black plate 5751/ECC83

Test at 118/130, 120/130, on a EICO 667 Ttube tester.min:60
====================================================

2 NOS Mullard 12AT7WA CV4024(12AT7 ECC81):

These are the low noise CV4024 m8162 British Military version of the 12AT7, manufactured by Mullard in Mitchum, Great Britain, not the inferior Mullard re-issue tubes currently available!
Coded '654 R4D3' (Mullard Mitchum, 1984)
Pairs selected by factoring in both IP and Gm.
Gm tested at 3600/4500, 3900/4900. Min 2500, average new 3850 mho.
IP (plate current) 3.8/6.6, 4.1/6.4. Average new 3.7 ma.
Fully Tested on a Hickok 539C tester and guaranteed.


These all look pretty average. I would just try them and listen to them as in the end the choice is your ears rather than what folks say about a given tube.

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#2070437 - 05/02/09 06:51 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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Well what does "low mu" mean?

Also, two test in the 40's while the 3-mica one gives test results in the 100's. Why the diff?

And thanks for your kind attention and advice..Your the man!!
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#2070438 - 05/02/09 07:00 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: RocketRick]
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Originally Posted By: Blueraven
Well what does "low mu" mean?

Also, two test in the 40's while the 3-mica one gives test results in the 100's. Why the diff?

And thanks for your kind attention and advice..Your the man!!


Different testers with different parameters.

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#2072761 - 05/08/09 10:23 AM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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I happened upon an old home entertainment center.... One even older than my memory, although we had something similar. This one was a TV, record player and radio in a cabinet on 6"-8" legs. (Unlike those of the 1970's where the entire cabinet reached the ground.)

Anywho... the back was open and I noticed tubes... a bunch of them. Pulled some from the TV and others from the radio, including single 5Y3 and 12AX7-GT tubes from the radio.

Some of the tubes (in particular, the largest TV tube) are obviously blown. Others look near pristine. Any chance they're worth anything to anyone. (Frankly, I don't own a tube amp so I can't even begin to entertain using them myself. 8^o )

Just thought I'd ask... I considered taking them to a shop to be tested but thought to ask your opinion before wasting time with them. (I have a list of mnfrs and models if you want to know the others. There are about 15 tubes in all, from Zenith, RCA, Raytheon, G.E. & Silvertone. (Which, in fact, was the brand name on the unit. Yes, I'm aware that was simply the Sears store-brand product name.)

Thanks in advance for any info you can provide...
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#2072859 - 05/08/09 01:34 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: fantasticsound]
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Originally Posted By: fantasticsound
I happened upon an old home entertainment center.... One even older than my memory, although we had something similar. This one was a TV, record player and radio in a cabinet on 6"-8" legs. (Unlike those of the 1970's where the entire cabinet reached the ground.)

Anywho... the back was open and I noticed tubes... a bunch of them. Pulled some from the TV and others from the radio, including single 5Y3 and 12AX7-GT tubes from the radio.

Some of the tubes (in particular, the largest TV tube) are obviously blown. Others look near pristine. Any chance they're worth anything to anyone. (Frankly, I don't own a tube amp so I can't even begin to entertain using them myself. 8^o )

Just thought I'd ask... I considered taking them to a shop to be tested but thought to ask your opinion before wasting time with them. (I have a list of mnfrs and models if you want to know the others. There are about 15 tubes in all, from Zenith, RCA, Raytheon, G.E. & Silvertone. (Which, in fact, was the brand name on the unit. Yes, I'm aware that was simply the Sears store-brand product name.)

Thanks in advance for any info you can provide...


Most of the tubes are probably not used in guitar amps or even pro audio gear so they probably will be of no great value. I would replace them all and make the unit work again.

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#2072963 - 05/08/09 08:42 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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Unfortunately I was in no position to take the entire unit. It was out in the rain waiting for the garbage man when I discovered it and there was EXTENSIVE damage to the electronics from the looks of it. By the time I came back with tools to extract the amp it had, alas, been removed to the dump. frown

Thanks for the info.
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#2073069 - 05/09/09 09:52 AM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: fantasticsound]
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Originally Posted By: fantasticsound
Unfortunately I was in no position to take the entire unit. It was out in the rain waiting for the garbage man when I discovered it and there was EXTENSIVE damage to the electronics from the looks of it. By the time I came back with tools to extract the amp it had, alas, been removed to the dump. frown

Thanks for the info.


You are welcome

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#2073348 - 05/10/09 12:28 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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I've been thinking about having a guitar of mine refinished and was wondering if you could give me any references to choose from. I'm here in SoCal, but am open to shipping if need be. It's a '64 Strat, original owner, that was painted by some dumb ass kid, (me), because Eric Clapton had that psychedlic SG and I did the same to mine. It was refinished once, non-pro, but thought about doing it right. I've been told a refinished guitar will bring about half the market value, as I was thinking about selling it. It was originally sunburst.

Thanks
Scott


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#2073438 - 05/10/09 08:10 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: haywired2]
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Originally Posted By: haywired2
I've been thinking about having a guitar of mine refinished and was wondering if you could give me any references to choose from. I'm here in SoCal, but am open to shipping if need be. It's a '64 Strat, original owner, that was painted by some dumb ass kid, (me), because Eric Clapton had that psychedlic SG and I did the same to mine. It was refinished once, non-pro, but thought about doing it right. I've been told a refinished guitar will bring about half the market value, as I was thinking about selling it. It was originally sunburst.

Thanks
Scott



Scott,

Call Norm's Rare Guitars in Tarzana and ask for Jeff Lund and talk to him.

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#2073525 - 05/11/09 07:45 AM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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Thank you Sir

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#2073567 - 05/11/09 08:37 AM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: haywired2]
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Originally Posted By: haywired2
Thank you Sir


You are welcome. Jeff will be able to steer you in the right direction and also tell you how refinishing impacts value of a given instument.

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#2074247 - 05/13/09 03:24 AM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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Hey Myles,

I have a 81 Fender DRRI that I put a tweed circuit on the normal channel and have both channel going through the reverb.

The vibrato channel sounds a bit distorted now and the tweed channel gets garbled and cuts out if the volume or tone are turned up passed five.

My Theory is I need to upgrade my filter caps from 80uf. If you have a better theory let me know.

Can the transformer handle a bigger rectifier (5AR4) and 220uf filter caps ? Or do I need to stick with the 5U4GBEH and 100uf filtercaps. The amp has 5881WXT output tubes in it.

What kind of meter can I get for checking voltages ?

Thanks, Brendan

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#2074384 - 05/13/09 09:36 AM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: BCorbett]
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Brendan,

Any good DVM will work to check voltages and should be a part of any basic toolkit.

On your other issues ....

Being that you have a design that is nothing close to stock this could be a lot of things and some may be far from obvious. It is time to get the amp on a bench and troubleshoot.

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#2075012 - 05/14/09 06:07 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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Originally Posted By: myles_rose
Originally Posted By: haywired2
I've been thinking about having a guitar of mine refinished and was wondering if you could give me any references to choose from. I'm here in SoCal, but am open to shipping if need be. It's a '64 Strat, original owner, that was painted by some dumb ass kid, (me), because Eric Clapton had that psychedlic SG and I did the same to mine. It was refinished once, non-pro, but thought about doing it right. I've been told a refinished guitar will bring about half the market value, as I was thinking about selling it. It was originally sunburst.

Thanks
Scott



Scott,

Call Norm's Rare Guitars in Tarzana and ask for Jeff Lund and talk to him.



Talked to Jeff Lund, great guy, and he said that Pro re-finish would be the way to go. RS Guitarworks was his recommendation and being outside of Cal, they can use the right lacquer thu

Thanks again
Scott

Thanks again

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#2075157 - 05/15/09 05:28 AM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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Myles,

I purchaced a fine Radio Shack DVM and checked my B+ voltage and it came up Short; 371v for V1 and 323 for V2 and V3. The Power tubes and rectifier were at 390. My schematic says 420 is what I should be getting.

I diconnected V1, my Tweed mod from the voltage see if it was grounding out some of the voltage but nothing changed.

If you have any Ideas, aside from buy a knew amp let me know.

Thanks, Brendan

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#2075273 - 05/15/09 09:12 AM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: haywired2]
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Originally Posted By: haywired2
Originally Posted By: myles_rose
Originally Posted By: haywired2
I've been thinking about having a guitar of mine refinished and was wondering if you could give me any references to choose from. I'm here in SoCal, but am open to shipping if need be. It's a '64 Strat, original owner, that was painted by some dumb ass kid, (me), because Eric Clapton had that psychedlic SG and I did the same to mine. It was refinished once, non-pro, but thought about doing it right. I've been told a refinished guitar will bring about half the market value, as I was thinking about selling it. It was originally sunburst.

Thanks
Scott



Scott,

Call Norm's Rare Guitars in Tarzana and ask for Jeff Lund and talk to him.



Talked to Jeff Lund, great guy, and he said that Pro re-finish would be the way to go. RS Guitarworks was his recommendation and being outside of Cal, they can use the right lacquer thu

Thanks again
Scott

Thanks again


Jeff is a great fellow. Lots of experience.

You can shoot nitro even in CA as they use a special booth.

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#2075274 - 05/15/09 09:12 AM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: BCorbett]
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Originally Posted By: BCorbett
Myles,

I purchaced a fine Radio Shack DVM and checked my B+ voltage and it came up Short; 371v for V1 and 323 for V2 and V3. The Power tubes and rectifier were at 390. My schematic says 420 is what I should be getting.

I diconnected V1, my Tweed mod from the voltage see if it was grounding out some of the voltage but nothing changed.

If you have any Ideas, aside from buy a knew amp let me know.

Thanks, Brendan



The amp needs to be troubleshot in a proper manner.

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#2077677 - 05/22/09 05:52 AM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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Hey Myles,

That trouble shooting realy worked out. I finally got the channel working properly.

The mod I installed was from Aspen Pittman's Tube Amp Book and the directions and diagrams are completly wrong.

I learned alot in the process though, Thanks for your help.

Do you Know where I get get the specs on my Electro Harmonics 5U4GB rectifier ? I want to find out if it can handle 100uf filter caps run in series.

Thanks again, Brendan

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#2077862 - 05/22/09 12:27 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: BCorbett]
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Brendan,

Specs on the rectifier are probably in the prints and tubes section of my website. If not, email me directly and I will forward a proper spec sheet.

I am not surprised the info was incorrect in Aspen's book. If you want a proper amp book go get Dave Hunter's

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#2077863 - 05/22/09 12:28 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: BCorbett]
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Originally Posted By: BCorbett
Hey Myles,

That trouble shooting realy worked out. I finally got the channel working properly.

The mod I installed was from Aspen Pittman's Tube Amp Book and the directions and diagrams are completly wrong.

I learned alot in the process though, Thanks for your help.

Do you Know where I get get the specs on my Electro Harmonics 5U4GB rectifier ? I want to find out if it can handle 100uf filter caps run in series.

Thanks again, Brendan


Brendan,

Specs on the rectifier are probably in the prints and tubes section of my website. If not, email me directly and I will forward a proper spec sheet.

I am not surprised the info was incorrect in Aspen's book. If you want a proper amp book go get Dave Hunter's

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#2078098 - 05/23/09 09:48 AM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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Myles,

I have a GT Soulo 45 with a problem that has gotten worse. The amp is breaking up a lot on gigs with difficulty in getting a clean sound at bluesrock level volumes. Last night was the worse it's been.

The rock edged stuff with some OD pedals sounded fine but the jazzier stuff had way too much breakup.

The last time it was similar but not as bad, I changed the power tubes and rebiased. (JJ6l6's).
It was better but still seems like this amp should have plenty of clean headroom even when the volume is up.
Could something be going on with the FX loop? Or one of the preamp tubes? I recently changed out the loop recovery tube because it was microphonic but new tube appears to be fine.
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#2078270 - 05/24/09 09:03 AM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: Bobogypsy]
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Originally Posted By: Bobogypsy
Myles,

I have a GT Soulo 45 with a problem that has gotten worse. The amp is breaking up a lot on gigs with difficulty in getting a clean sound at bluesrock level volumes. Last night was the worse it's been.

The rock edged stuff with some OD pedals sounded fine but the jazzier stuff had way too much breakup.

The last time it was similar but not as bad, I changed the power tubes and rebiased. (JJ6l6's).
It was better but still seems like this amp should have plenty of clean headroom even when the volume is up.
Could something be going on with the FX loop? Or one of the preamp tubes? I recently changed out the loop recovery tube because it was microphonic but new tube appears to be fine.



Call me at the shop next week after Monday .... 1-818-760-5089.

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#2081980 - 06/04/09 09:54 AM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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Just a heads up .... folks can feel free to try to call me at the shop at the number above .... 1-818-760-5089 if they have a question that might be too involved to write out here.

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#2083975 - 06/09/09 04:16 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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I have a solid state combo amp (with a speaker out) and I have a head. I know that with an A/B switch I can go from amp to amp from just one guitar. Can I go then to just one common head (speaker)? Do I also need a switch at that junction?
Thank you, your posts are great.

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#2084005 - 06/09/09 05:48 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: TPA]
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Originally Posted By: TPA
I have a solid state combo amp (with a speaker out) and I have a head. I know that with an A/B switch I can go from amp to amp from just one guitar. Can I go then to just one common head (speaker)? Do I also need a switch at that junction?
Thank you, your posts are great.


You must keep a load on the amp or it will blow. Go to Radial Engineering for a head switcher.

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#2084039 - 06/09/09 07:43 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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Your help with the two amps into one speaker was spot on. I found the switchers and now I feel dumb. Thanks for your help you are the man. Can I get that single 12" speaker in my combo work for this as well? (portability)

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#2084045 - 06/09/09 07:56 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: TPA]
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Originally Posted By: TPA
Your help with the two amps into one speaker was spot on. I found the switchers and now I feel dumb. Thanks for your help you are the man. Can I get that single 12" speaker in my combo work for this as well? (portability)



Yes .... a combo 1x12 with a head on top as the second amp using a switcher works great.

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#2084454 - 06/10/09 03:27 PM Re: Feel free to ask Myles [Re: myles_rose]
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Cool! Is it just simply to unhook the wires from the speaker in the combo and hook the speaker directly to a jack? Should I tape up the wires?

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