IMO the 250 really shines compared to the 120 at gigs, when interacting with vocals or other instruments. The 120 can sound a bit thin (or sometimes the opposite!) in a context, while the 250 blends better. Why? I dunno... maybe it´s a hardware issue since both samples came from the same session! When playing for a longer time, the 250 piano didn´t reveal its weaknesses quite as quickly as the 120, or maybe working the eq prolongs the good side of the experience. It´s a bit like the Electro in that aspect, it doesn´t really shine until you take it to a gig.

I am not in denial, i am not stupid, and I HATE THE P250!!! Why do you have such a hard time accepting my opinion?!?

*I dont like the piano sound or action of the p250, I think they are harsh. This is my opinion. I dont care if im alone or not. Annalogaddict, I dont care if everyone loves the p250, but i dont, and thats all that matters to me. I dont care what those people say, and I hate your responses, because they are full of it.

If you have such a hard time accepting my opinions, then you guys are truly stupid. You make fun of me, you mock me, and worst of all, give me stupid replies. Grow up! People who cant accept my opinions are dumbos!!!

If the p120 wasnt out yet, I would reather play the p90 than the p250. This is preferecne. You may call it weird, stupid, etc or whatever you want. But guess what.....

I dont care.

Regards,
p120dUdE

Davehorne, i am not in denial. I just hate the p250. My opinion. It seems you have a big problem with accepting oppinions too.

Regards,
p120dUde

Wow. Ladies and gentlemen, we have just witnessed what the psych-types call "transference".

Looks like the pot calling the kettle black here. Everyone is entitled to opinions, yourself and others included. Heed your own advice. No one called you stupid or a "dumbo." I think the keyboard world has grown weary of this repetitious and tiresome banter. I can accept your opinion and agree to disagree. No big deal. It is just a digital piano. I would still like to hear your MP3s.

Regards,
Eric

The problem I have is that a lot of people buy stuff based on recommendations made on this and other forums - myself included; I bought an Evolver and am very happy with it. One basic thing when commenting on gear is to have hard facts, you can´t just say "the P120 sounds better than the 250 and has no problems, it´s the bomb", and then when getting replies about a supposed legato phrasing problem, resort to name calling. The P120 is a great instrument, and I´d recommend it to anybody that needs that kind of DP, but you cannot trash stuff just because you don´t like it, unless you have some new info the rest of us are lacking. Of course you can state that the P120 is better than the 250, but then I expext you to back it up with something a little more substantial than name calling and repeating your latest (and ONLY!) statements.

Since you´ve stated you´re also not an experienced musician I feel that it´s a bit risky to give advise the way you do. People are not forced to listen to you, but some unlucky person could get a deal on some piece of equipment the dude recommends and end up miserably unhappy. The kind of offensive, stubborn and false (until proven true, where are those MP3s???) statements the dude makes are diluting the credibility :rolleyes: of forums like this by claiming stuff to be true and not be able to back it up. I don´t know about you others, but this annoys the hell out of me, and that´s why I keep banging my head against the wall like this. In roughly one month, he´s amassed about 360 posts on the Harmony-central forum, 360 posts saying about the same thing in different threads. I just think it would be a shame if he´d start doing that here too.

Am not, am too, am not, am too, am not, am too .... Dad .... now can I have the keys to the car?

P120dUdE,

I would be willing to bet that one reason we give you a hard time, we know we can provoke a response from you ... that, plus it's entertaining.

I should receive my P250 tomorrow and will report back after I've put it through its paces.

I like the piano's in my korg N5. they are the best there is, all other piano samples on the world are crap!!!

Originally posted by Analogaddict:
In roughly one month, he´s amassed about 360 posts on the Harmony-central forum, 360 posts saying about the same thing in different threads. I just think it would be a shame if he´d start doing that here too.

Sounds like the other dude who complained ad nauseum about phase cancellation/mono sux on his P120 a few months ago. Maybe he's from the same family.

Oh, you mean the McTrolls!

:rolleyes: :p

I was just revisiting this post because I am still debating the S90 vs. P250. Also realizing how nuts the P120Dude was. Any way I bought a Kurz PC2x and have to return it. It has some problems and the action is a mess. I am really stuck, any advice?

Goodness, I didn't realize you felt so strongly about it!!

I'm really sorry to hear that...
Good luck with getting the situation resloved.

I've been wanting to get a PC2 myself, via mail order (since I live in an area with few music stores) but perhaps I should rethink that

What sort of problems, if I may ask?

We respect everyone's opinion and everyone is entitled to one but when the same thing is said over and over again, it is almost like one of my kids asking me for the same toy that I already said no to 10 times before. Is there any other board that you like besides the P120?

You guys will want to check out this site, It will let you hear MP3's of many of the boards you are talking about. I wish they were still updating it.

They have midi files of song being used for the demo. So you could download it put it on a Smart Media Card and take it to your local music store to see for yourself which is better for you.

CLICK HERE: for the Digital Piano shoot out

There is nothing like the real thing. Listen to that Steinway.

Just so you guys know, the P120dUde was banned awhile back so he will not respond to any posts regarding him. I'm not saying this as an attack, but I'm glad because now we can focus on the gear rather than the other stuff.

Ok, about the PC2x, I just don't like the action. It seems cheap to me, and for such an expensive piece of gear its not worth it. The sounds did not even compare to my GEM Promega 3. I have them side by side right now. The Gem piano is warm and the action, although a tad light is very high quality. The KUrz is just light, and as I said feels too cheep to me. I really think the strings are the only sound I really care for after playing through it. Some nice pianos, but I think I need something else.

That brings me to my original debate. Get an S90 or a P250. I need this board for a gig, and I want to use strings, organ ect. I like the S-90 for its expandability and great feel. I would midi a controller to it so I can have 2 tiers. 61 note and 88 note. But the P250 piano sound is supposed to be the best that Yami has. However, with this new piano board out, and loaded into the S-90, that could be the answer?

Any thoughts?

If it were my choice, (given that I wanted to spice up my musical experience with cutting edge toys) I would go with the S90.

1. You get to try out that brand new expansion card. If Mike Martin is proud of it, it's gotta be good.

2. You're used to a balanced action on the PM3. The s90 has a comparable action. Why mess with a good thing.

3. The onboard speakers of the p250 are useless for your application.

4. There's gotta be another reason but I'll be damned if I know.

Hey HermanJoe. I'm wondering if the P250 would still produce a better sounding Piano sample because the engine is dedicated to the Piano sample and has the best sample set up (Sympathetic string resonance-4th sample)The S90 and the other Motif engine based instruments do not. I really don't know if the S90 processes the sample from an expansion card any differently than it does from internal ROM samples. It would be interesting to find that out. All I can say is, we're so spoiled concerning ourselves about what sample is absolutely the best you can get. Kind of splitting hairs. What we have now is so much better than what was available 8 or 10 years ago there's no comparison. My old Roland digital piano reminds me of that every time I play it.

Mike T.

Personally, I can't connect with the S90 action, plus it and the P250 are too heavy for this tired old back of mine.. I'm leaning on possibly going with perhaps a P120 or 90 with a Motif Rack with the new piano board installed.

Does anyone know if the Motif rack's engine will reproduce this new card's sound as well as the full-blown Motif or S90? That is abouut the only thing stopping me at this point.

Of course the P90 and 120 don't have pitch and mod wheels...Why in the hell can't somebody put sound quality, functions, big sound pallette and light weight into one board?

Anyone notice that with all the boards that are out there, we all have about the same problems with them? Seems someone is missing a huge market.

I have thought about getting a P250 and using a motif rack as well, but it's just too damn expensive. I am leaning towards the
S-90 for applications which is: Live use and the source for all my sounds for this particular gig. I aslo think it will compliment my GEM Promega 3, which has a great piano sound. Tuthfully I will most likley end up owning both the S90 and the P250 simply because I can't make up my mind. I also thought about a P250 and a Motif 6 Classic. But again, it's expensive. That would be the best setup I think. Use the Motif for organ, strungs, ect, and the P250 for Piano. MMM....

I have a P120 and a Motif 7. The P120 does not send velocity correctly to the Motif.. its all very flat... you really have t whack the keys in an unnatural style... I love playing the piano and esp the rhodes from the MOTIF and think they are very dynamic but from the P120 its pretty dead sounding...

I may end up getting this

http://www.midisolutions.com/prodvel.htm

to compensate...

Its a shame Yamaha didn't pay attention to the MIDI out transmission from the P series pianos (just wondering if the P250 has the same problem)... the p80 also had the same problem...

Interesting...

I remember someone talking about a P250 not driving more that one midi device in a chain or something to that effect, but have not heard too much about velocity problems. I can't seem to even find a place to try a P250. Guitar Center never has one out, and they refuse to take one out of the box. I lot of my gear dilema's have been from not being able to try the stuff out.
After trying the S-90 out tonight I think it will fit my needs. I still would like to give the P250 a shot though.

"Its a shame Yamaha didn't pay attention to the MIDI out transmission from the P series pianos (just wondering if the P250 has the same problem)... the p80 also had the same problem..."

The P80 had different velocity curve by each patch. Try E.P.1 (var) for high velocity midi out.

It still was wrong in my opinion... I get a velocity of 123 when I really whack it.. and I mean in an unnatural way yet I can get 127 easily from the MOTIF...

I see.

Played Them all. I think Vintage 74 is my fav.

I think the Vintage 74 has exactly the right character although perhaps its not as dynamic as the Electro rhodes...

Speaking for a moment as part of the audience I sometimes have to endure some realy so-so piano sounds at my local Jazz club. Even If what is being played is musical the sound is not usualy cutting it next to the guitar or sax.One gig with someone on a P80 the Rhodes sound was unbearable,another gig the P200 Rhodes was suprisingly enjoyable even nicely 'rough'. Every now and then a UK player called Jonathan Gee hits town and a mate loans him the P120.Now Jonathan is natural born groover and he mostly just plays the EP2 Rhodes well, I just sit there for the whole gig with a big grin on my face - that sound is just so warm and organic sounding.When he swiches to the Ac. preset its almost a bit of a letdown.