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Re: OT: Do you ever write nothing, and then Send it? KuruPrionz 07/05/20 11:21 PM
Once I sent nothing, but didn't write it.
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Re: Super light 2-board rigs AnotherScott 07/05/20 10:55 PM
Originally Posted by mate stubb
Combined with an organ engine, the PX-5S can be set up to have its 8 sliders send midi CC (properly increasing as you pull.)
6 sliders, but yes, and also 4 knobs. So that becomes a potential way to control an organ sound even if you pick a top board without drawbars, i.e. if you get your organ sound from an iPad or whatever. It gets a little more complicated if you want to manipulate the drawbars from the PX5S but play the organ sound from your non-hammer action above. (Admittedly, this is a different application that what you posted about where you were using the PX5S as a lower manual.)
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Re: Super light 2-board rigs AnotherScott 07/05/20 10:51 PM
Originally Posted by analogman1
I'd HOPE that the Numa Compact's drawbars send MIDI...That would be great to control B3-X!!!
They do.
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Re: Home Studio Workout with Springsteen SamuelBLupowitz 07/05/20 10:44 PM
Originally Posted by David R
Sounds great, Sam! Nice mix too. What's the harpejji like iPad app?
Thank you! I’m trying to get good enough at mixing that at least the mix isn’t bad enough to get your attention, so I very much appreciate the positive feedback.

The app is the hilariously-named Geoshred, which is Jordan Rudess’s app (hence the very Rock with a capital R name, and preponderance of over-the-top shreddy lead sounds). Fellow forumite Dr. Mike Metlay has pointed out, however, that it’s really just a great plucked string modeling synthesis app, and is quite useful for non-shredding purposes. Normally I pair it with my Seaboard, but I found that for the picking pattern the tuning was way too sensitive, so I just did it on the “fretboard” and was quite pleased with it as a substitute for an actual acoustic twelve-string.

Originally Posted by Joe Muscara
Nice, Sam! And you guys seem to have more music biographies than my local bookstore. 2thu
Yeah it’s possible I’ve accumulated a few over the years. It’s also possible my wife had a visceral reaction when I mentioned how glad I would be to finally have room for all the other ones that have been at my parents’ house all these years...
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Re: Super light 2-board rigs analogman1 07/05/20 10:41 PM
I'd HOPE that the Numa Compact's drawbars send MIDI...That would be great to control B3-X!!!

This setup could make me consider relegating the Nord 5D to other duties...though the Electro is STILL a workhorse.

I'm considering it to control B3-X for those times when I need the extra level of grind; for most situations, the Nord is still much more than adequate.

But having a second compact board available solves so many immediate problems...

And if I'm spending money I'd rather have something with sounds as an automatic "back up" if things go awry...
So I'm strongly considering the Numa...
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Re: OK, the Corona Virus Isn't Going Away. Now What? Notes_Norton 07/05/20 10:36 PM
I suggest we all err on the side of caution and put the masks on. Really, they are no big deal. It's a piece of cloth that doesn't hurt. Plus it keeps those invasive facial recognition cameras from logging your movements. grin

The likelihood of our house catching fire is slight, but we buy insurance.

The likelihood of getting hit by lightning is slight, but we seek shelter during violent storms.

The likelihood of needing a gun to defend yourself is slight, but millions buy them anyway.

I could go on.

There are plenty of things that cause us to choose to err on the side of caution. Shouldn't death or even more likely permanent brain, heart, lung, kidney and/or other major organ damage be one of them?

Plus in the event that a person is an asymptomatic carrier and likely to cause death or damage to others he/she passes in the street, isn't it the civil thing to do to wear a mask?

It shouldn't be a political thing and we shouldn't be taking advice from politicians or religious leaders about this, but the peer-reviewed, published, scientists, and they recommend masks almost unanimously.


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Re: The ultimate single-board gig rig: 2 contrasting manuals AnotherScott 07/05/20 10:22 PM
Originally Posted by confidence
So it's the internal zones that will matter. I won't actually need to send MIDI out of this board.
Ah. So that's quite different from "I was actually hoping for more than two MIDI zones." -- MIDI zones refers to sending MIDI out. You want to be able to split/layer more than two internal sounds... that's generally easier. There are more boards that can split/layer 3 internal sounds than there are ones that can split/layer three external ones. But now we get to the next part...

Originally Posted by confidence
What I will need to do is send MIDI in to it, and I'm not entirely clear how that will interact with the zone architecture.
A board's MIDI zoning functions are basically irrelevant for MIDI in. What you need to be concerned with instead is a board's multitimbral capabilities, i.e. the ability to put each sounds on its own MIDI channel. A board may be able to split/layer multiple internal sounds, but if you can't put them on separate MIDI channels, that won't be so useful from a MIDI In perspective (more about that in the next section). Similarly, you can run into the opposite situation, e.g. a board that lets you put 16 sounds on 16 channels to be driven over MIDI, yet do not let you split/layer 16 sounds over a board's own keys. So these are really three completely different things:

...the ability to split/layer some number of internal sounds (we'll just call that the split/layer function)
...the ability to split/layer some number of external sounds (those are the MIDI zones)
...the ability for an external device to access multiple sounds in the board via different MIDI channels (that's the multitimbral function)

and whatever a board does for one of those three things may have little to no bearing on how it handles the other two.

The divisions between those functions not necessarily always so completely cut and dried, but conceptually, I think that's a good starting point.

Originally Posted by confidence
if you've set up a bunch of zones defined by split points, are MIDI note-on messages received from another device just assigned to those same zones according to their pitch? Or can you have a separate zone or two activated just by data entering the MIDI in, that doesn't affect the zones of the local keyboard itself?
Usually the latter. However, there are also boards that do the former, or give you the option of doing things either way. But that first method (essentially putting a series of split/layered sounds on the same MIDI channel) is generally not so useful, i.e. having an external board/device triggering the exact same sounds over the exact same keys where you're playing them. Usually, the point of driving some of your sounds externally is for them to do something different from what you're doing on the main board, rather than to essentially duplicate it.

Originally Posted by confidence
I'm not sure about Kurzweil. One of the units in my rack is actually a Kurzweil PC2-R, with the optional orchestral ROM installed. It's got some nice EPs and strings, and the KB3 organ is meaty and usable, but would be rendered largely redundant as I'm looking to get a Hammond clone for my other board. But I find much of the orchestral, brass stuff etc. really lame - even that on the orchestral ROM. I understand that when the PC3 came out, its orchestral sound set was basically derived from that. There was a lot of hype about it. Maybe it's been tweaked and updated to sound better
I believe the orchestral sounds of the PC3 did come from the orchestral ROM of the PC2, but maybe someone else can update. The real update for the horns (and some other non-orchestral stuff) came later, with the Kore64 upgrade (standard in PC3A/PC3K and later boards including Forte). Forte has additional updated sounds, but as far as the orchestral department goes, I think only orchestral percussion.

I think this is the first post where you talked about what sounds you care about the board having. Now that you've said you want strong orchestral sounds, I think that eliminates the Dexibell. Yamaha orchestral sounds are usually pretty good, but the CP73 doesn't have a whole lot of them. Kronos might well be your board of choice. Grandstage is just a small subset of a Kronos. in both sound and functionality. Its appeal over a Kronos is its simplicity and smaller/lighter form factor, but I suspect you may run into too many walls. Forte could also be a possibility, if you feel it offers enough sonic improvement over your PC2R, which in part depends on what sounds you're talking about.
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Re: OT: Do you ever write nothing, and then Send it? El Lobo 07/05/20 10:20 PM
I got nothing
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Re: Bookings are coming in! Josh Paxton 07/05/20 10:10 PM
I've played three gigs in the past two days – two solo, and one duo with a singer. Solo shows were outdoors, distanced and lovely. Duo show was an indoor party with a small crowd that, much to my dismay, were all unmasked. The crowd-to-room-size ratio, the fact that they were all distanced from me if not each other, and the fact that I was right under a ceiling fan made it less worrisome than it might have been. But it made me realize that my eagerness to do a gig for real people had caused me to let me guard down and not vet the circumstances the way I should have. That won't happen again.
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Re: Some having success with SoundJack Dr Mike Metlay 07/05/20 10:06 PM
Ye canna beat th' laws o' physics, Jim!

I think that the best case scenario that they put in the videos will always be way better than real world results, but that's just me being cynical.

In my case it's not that useful, as most of my favorite jamming partners are well outside a 15 mile range... like, WELL outside... like, northern England....
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Re: OT: Do you ever write nothing, and then Send it? xKnuckles 07/05/20 10:02 PM
I once wrote a HUGE amount of nothing. Then emailed it. It had to be sent as a zip file.
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Re: OK, the Corona Virus Isn't Going Away. Now What? Nowarezman 07/05/20 10:00 PM
Originally Posted by J. Dan
If it's in fact airborne then all these cloth masks are doing NOTHING. The idea of the masks were to stop droplets. They do nothing for an airborne virus. Nothing.

Well, wait a minute - there's a very important question of percentages, isn't there? What if 90% of the virus exposures are caused by wet droplets (not airborne) and 10% are caused by dry nuclei (airborne)? Masks would take care of the vast majority of potential exposures.

The airborne variety of COVID-10 transmission is by no means "everywhere" - the studies talk about specific situations where it's possible the virus could be transmitted via an airborne mechanism. No one is saying the airborne type is the main way it's transmitted.

It's not a binary - either all airborne or all not airborne. Apparently it's some large majority not airborne, and some smaller percentage not airborne. I just wish we know how the percentages actually break down. But the airborne situations seem harder to nail down as they are so context-sensitive. The non-airborne situation is pretty much 6' most everywhere unless you're sneezing into a fan or something.

Masks still make sense to me. I'm open to being talked out of that, as I don't like wearing them at all.

nat
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Re: Which iOS apps do you want to see on macOS? (and vice versa) Dr Mike Metlay 07/05/20 09:59 PM
I, on the other hand, would love a port of Live to iOS, at least the Studio View where you can organize clips in a grid and launch them in a time-reliable fashion. That's the one thing iOS still doesn't have.

With the eventual convergence of iOS and macOS machines, this will become more and more of a real thing as time goes on. I for one would be very curious.

Also, I am still holding out for an update of the original Alchemy Mobile, but hey, what can you do? smile
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Re: Blokas MIDI Hub Dr Mike Metlay 07/05/20 09:56 PM
Originally Posted by Tom Williams
Looks like a winner -- nice input count, versatile processing treatments, good price range.

Decades ago I bought an MX-8 from Digital Music Corp with similar features -- and all on an two rows of 16 characters!

For me, the usefulness of a MIDI processor is inversely proportional to the usefulness of the MIDI controller(s) going in -- If the controller is sufficiently versatile, the processing is less important than routing / merging. (One exception: smart data filtering, e.g., stemming off a flood of aftertouch CC's.)

Agree. This is what made the Opcode Studio 4 and Studio 5LX so amazing. I should find a good home for mine, and the OS9 Mac you need to program it smile
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Re: Using REW (Room EQ Wizard) to Measure and Treat Room KuruPrionz 07/05/20 09:55 PM
I haven't used REW. Can it find flutter echoes or will they just show up as frequency anomalies?

Something I've done for various reasons is walk around a room and clap my hands. It will sound different in different parts of most rooms. That won't cost you anything and you may learn some valuable things.

I had a flutter echo that I on\ly found when a friend inadvertantly stepped into a particular spot while talking. I asked him to walk back and forth in that area while speaking, it was a pretty precise location that caused the blurring sound. I hung a quilt along what seemed to be the "line" that the echo followed and it went away.

Do you read Tape Op? There are quite a few vendors advertising sound treatment, many of them offer free consultation services as a means to sell you an appropriate package for your room.
There are probably DIY room treatment blogs online as well. worth a look anyway.

As always, Mike Rivers advice and links above will be useful.
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Re: Knifonium VST xKnuckles 07/05/20 09:55 PM
Can it be tuned? Sounds a bit sharp to me...
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Re: Audio output from iOS devices, easy and otherwise Dr Mike Metlay 07/05/20 09:53 PM
Originally Posted by GovernorSilver
Originally Posted by Dr Mike Metlay
The concept of using a Digitone as an iOS dongle tickles me for some reason. You can please the iPad geeks and the Elektron cultists in the audience at the same time!

As an Octatrack-carrying member of the cult I approve of this message.

Seriously though my GAS for Digitone was reignited by this latest news. iOS device + Digitone is a nice compact rig that will work for some folks.

Some folks who have been looking for a way to integrate IOS apps into their hardware synth/sampler signal chain went with mixers that double as USB audio interfaces with support for 2 or more channels, like the Soundcraft MTK series or KMI KMix. Mixers such as those might still be the best choice for some. But those who want a minimalist setup and are already Elektron fans are all about this Digitone update of course.

This pedal has been on the market for the guitarist crowd for a while but I haven't seen much mention of it among my fellow cultists:
https://www.xsonic.cc/

I can't tell, is that box mono?

Also: the K-Mix, like many KMI products, looks great on paper... and it sounds very good!... but I find the touch-surface controls to be a bit anxiety-inducing at times. I got rid of mine, but YMMV.
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Re: OK, the Corona Virus Isn't Going Away. Now What? Joe Muscara 07/05/20 09:50 PM
But until we know for sure, they aren't hurting anything, and they could be helping.
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Re: Apple moves from Intel to ARM and from macOS X to macOS 11 Joe Muscara 07/05/20 09:45 PM
Originally Posted by Dr Mike Metlay
(PS. On a curious about trivia note: has there been official word that Big Sur will in fact be called OS 11 rather than OS 10.16?)
Yes. It's in the screenshots from the Keynote, and it was discussed in the Daring Fireball/Talk Show episode with Craig Federighi and Greg Jozwiak. Apple feels it's a big enough change both in the interface and the support for Apple Silicon to move away from "ten."

BTW, in a thread on the Universal Audio forums, Drew from UA and some users have said they've installed and run UA stuff on Big Sur including TB3 hardware such as Apollo interfaces and it works with some minor interface glitches at most. This isn't an official, thoroughly-tested confirmation from UA, just a quick look to see if it seems to work and it apparently does.
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Re: The ultimate single-board gig rig: 2 contrasting manuals AnotherScott 07/05/20 09:42 PM
Originally Posted by psionic11
Before I took the plunge on whether or not to get my MODX7 last year, I was fretting over its frustrating implementation of MIDI channels and zones...Then you kindly stepped in and reminded me that the workaround is to look at it from the view of the other board you're trying to control.
There are indeed often multiple ways to skin a cat! For example, any one-zone controlling keyboard becomes a multi-zone controller if you've got an iPad/Mac/PC running (depending on platform) Camelot Pro, GigPerformer, iMidiPatchbay, Keystage, Mainstage, Cantabile... so that's another way to get the extra zoning one may want. But the OP asked for 7x-key hammer action boards that supported more than two MIDI zones, so that's what I listed. Sure, if there's some other board he loves except it's weak on MIDI zoning, there could be another way to go.

As for the MODX, it's actually very good at controlling other boards (up to 8 zones)... it's MIDI weakness comes into play when you want it to be controlled BY other boards. Then what you can or can't do does indeed becomes something of a function of what the MIDI capabilities of the other board are... that might provide a good workaround (i.e. if your other board is a multi-zone controller), and if not, there's also the software I mentioned. There are ways...
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Re: I Played a Gig Yesterday El Lobo 07/05/20 09:40 PM
Originally Posted by BbAltered
I am not the only one in the band who is thinking "this isn't good for the band, or the people we play to". It seems to me the band is a sort of what lawyers call an "attractive nuisance".
That's one of the reasons my main band cancelled on a 4th of July gig. It was outdoors on a big stage. But we were told it was a secret, not to tell anybody, play at a low volume so as not to draw a crowd, etc. I said we could do that best by staying home. In addition to the risks to band members and to any people who might find us there, the goal of not having an audience was making my Absurdity warning light flash.
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Re: Who's tried the Skulpt synth? Dr Mike Metlay 07/05/20 09:37 PM
Dead brilliant but a little tricky to use from the front panel, simply don't have room for it in my studio at the moment.

The Kickstarter campaign discount wasn't that great, I doubt I could get what I put into it when selling it used, so I wait and hope... the Argon8 has MPE now, so perhaps the Skulpt will get it eventually. They hinted at this some time ago.
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Re: I Played a Gig Yesterday KuruPrionz 07/05/20 09:36 PM
Originally Posted by Jr. Deluxe
"Time for recording projects"
I wonder what constant use of lysol does to a Neuman U67?
I know...makes it sound CLEAN! Or atleast virus free.

In my humble studio I am an army of one. I have some options with mics, if somebody is going to visit and sing I can put that mic into quarentine for a week before and after without missing it.

I've always used my own vocal mics, never share them. I have a couple to choose from in the event some vile subhuman drools on one or something. laugh

If you don't let them get nasty then you don't have much cleaning to do.
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Re: OT 2020 Formula 1 Season Joe Muscara 07/05/20 09:35 PM
It was mentioned during one of the practice sessions that there was a protest last year about Ferrari's engines, and at that point Ferrari dropped off. The FIA and Ferrari made an agreement, the terms of which we don't know, nor do we know what the "issue" with the engine was, but if that's the case, clearly they still haven't gotten the engine performance back. Hopefully they will, but you'd think with all this extra time, they would have by now.

Seb looked like Seb. It just seems like he's been trying too hard for the past few years. I think he needs some mental training to get back to the right state of mind.

I'm always happy to see Lewis' teammate win. No disrespect to Lewis, but the other guy has the same car so he should be able to win a few too.

I don't think there have been that many retirements in a dry F1 race in forever.
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Re: The ultimate single-board gig rig: 2 contrasting manuals confidence 07/05/20 09:34 PM
Complicated...

Obviously the eight zones on my Oberheim are all external, since it's a dumb MIDI controller so everything it does is external. But part of the point of this restructuring is to reduce the number of devices that need to communicate with each other, and in particularly to be able to go out and do low key gigs with just a single board and no rack.

So it's the internal zones that will matter. I won't actually need to send MIDI out of this board.

What I will need to do is send MIDI in to it, and I'm not entirely clear how that will interact with the zone architecture. ie, if you've set up a bunch of zones defined by split points, are MIDI note-on messages received from another device just assigned to those same zones according to their pitch? Or can you have a separate zone or two activated just by data entering the MIDI in, that doesn't affect the zones of the local keyboard itself? Maybe this varies from model to model - might need some digging in manuals.

Kronos or Forte would be the surest way to cover all these bases and have a weighted board with the kind of MIDI-master flexibility my Oberheim gives me. Obviously they're more expensive than the others, but I'm willing to consider that kind of expense if it gets what's right for me.

Cons...

I'm not sure about Kurzweil. One of the units in my rack is actually a Kurzweil PC2-R, with the optional orchestral ROM installed. It's got some nice EPs and strings, and the KB3 organ is meaty and usable, but would be rendered largely redundant as I'm looking to get a Hammond clone for my other board. But I find much of the orchestral, brass stuff etc. really lame - even that on the orchestral ROM. I understand that when the PC3 came out, its orchestral sound set was basically derived from that. There was a lot of hype about it. Maybe it's been tweaked and updated to sound better, although I haven't heard any demos that make me believe that. I do understand the PC3 had a lot else packed into it in terms of VA etc, and I don't know how much the Forte has moved on further still. I really need to play one which I'm going to try and do.

Not much to dislike about the Kronos, although the 2 minute boot up time concerns me.

One of the UK retailers had a second hand Kronos 73 with warranty for £1,500 recently. I didn't buy it as I wasn't sure yet what I wanted, but I think I'd probably go to that kind of amount if it was right for me.
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